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I'll happily insure and put a number plate on my pedal bike IF every motorist starts obeying the LAW, so 30mph = 30mph, 20mph = 20mph, go over the speed limit and you instantly BANNED from driving. Can we agree on that been fair?
Equally, when I walk on Bournemouth beach and the cyclists whizz pass a few inches from me at more than the 10mph limit, I'm sure all of those ignorant and dangerous cyclist will come up with a similar excuse for not having a number plate or insurance. Pot - kettle is the phrase that come to mind once they start complaining about the cars the next minute when they go out on the road. Pedistrians have priority on the promenade, it is written on signs regularly along the promenade and there are digital speed detection signs that even tell them they are speeding. It also specifically says cyclists should dismount and walk if it is crowded but there are youtube and blogs saying things like "just because pedestrians have priority they shouldn't block the cyclists way". Yet some cyclist seem to revel in the their new priority on the road and make it hard for cars to pass etc. I'm more than happy to give cyclist a wide birth and slow down when passing but it doesn't seem to go the same way when cyclists approach pedestrians. Also when a cyclist runs into the back of your car when driving around town because they aren't concentrating they seem to think it is ok to shout at you for stopping (in a queue of traffic) and ride off without leaving details to pay for the dent they put in the back of your car. Or the pedestrians run over by bikes who just ride off with no way to trace the bike.

If the rules were the same for all road users then maybe there would be some mutual respect.
 
Equally, when I walk on Bournemouth beach and the cyclists whizz pass a few inches from me at more than the 10mph limit, I'm sure all of those ignorant and dangerous cyclist will come up with a similar excuse for not having a number plate or insurance. Pot - kettle is the phrase that come to mind once they start complaining about the cars the next minute when they go out on the road. Pedistrians have priority on the promenade, it is written on signs regularly along the promenade and there are digital speed detection signs that even tell them they are speeding. It also specifically says cyclists should dismount and walk if it is crowded but there are youtube and blogs saying things like "just because pedestrians have priority they shouldn't block the cyclists way". Yet some cyclist seem to revel in the their new priority on the road and make it hard for cars to pass etc. I'm more than happy to give cyclist a wide birth and slow down when passing but it doesn't seem to go the same way when cyclists approach pedestrians. Also when a cyclist runs into the back of your car when driving around town because they aren't concentrating they seem to think it is ok to shout at you for stopping (in a queue of traffic) and ride off without leaving details to pay for the dent they put in the back of your car. Or the pedestrians run over by bikes who just ride off with no way to trace the bike.

If the rules were the same for all road users then maybe there would be some mutual respect.

I've been tempted to carry a ziiploc bag of flour and eject it into the air stream for the benefit of roadhog cyclists. I am not a nice person. I didn't notice the gluten-free warning placard ;-)
 
Couldn't see this posted else where with a quick scan?


I'm guessing the first stage is a software update for EAP to disable the steering nag? By the time this comes in FSD should have the full merged stack and be more than capable. Unfortunately for Tesla it looks like our gov is starting from the other end of the stack Vs city streets.

I wonder if you will need Tesla insurance before hands off is allowed or something? Will be interesting to see how they navigate (#badoom tsh#, I'll get me hat) the legislation Vs getting people the software they have paid for. Or if this means FSD price goes up? Does encourage me to pull the trigger on EAP tbh.

Thoughts?
 
It's already being discussed in this thread opened today : Self-driving cars UK by 2025

In short : Tesla should apply for manufacturer approval before. Some other EU countries have already transcribed this UNECE regulation into local law, but Tesla hasn't applied for one in a single country yet...
Probably has to do with the responsibility shift involved with L3, which would make Tesla accountable for accidents while using EAP/FSD if it was the case so I'm not holding my breath..
 
I'll happily insure and put a number plate on my pedal bike IF every motorist starts obeying the LAW, so 30mph = 30mph, 20mph = 20mph, go over the speed limit and you instantly BANNED from driving. Can we agree on that been fair?
Mr. Perfection has landed!
It's about identificación of cyclists.
Twice, cyclists, broken my left side mirror of Truck and escape. Fortunately I had cctv on board and I don't pay nothing otherwise is £900/mirror!
 
Not going to happen. Throwing money at it means nothing. Self driving cars will only happen when the technology is ready. It is far from ready. Really far.
Oh ye of little faith... evidently in good company with the censors of YouTube...

I just read this tweet by Teslarati

Videos disproving false @Tesla FSD Beta claims made by Dan O'Dowd were removed by YouTube.

According to YT: "We determined that the videos raised to us by CNBC violate our harmful and dangerous policies"


Elon replied 🤔
 
I'm willing to bet 50p that FSD will not be fully self-driving in the UK before 2030. Even regular Enhanced Autopilot is way better on the other side of the road on the continent. The neural nets will need totally retraining to deal with each country and its traffic rules. The nature of machine learning is that we don't know exactly what the software has programmed itself to do, and can't easily change it - you give it a massive set of input data and success criteria, and it uses a process akin to natural selection to find a thing that is 'correct' for all of those inputs. Turning left at an American junction is not like turning left at a British junction, even if you mirror the X axis. Hence, it'll need a whole load of different input data and success criteria, and there's no evidence that Tesla are prioritising or even working on that at the moment.
 
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Having been nearly mowed down twice and felt harassed on Bournemouth promenade by bikes using it at 4pm when bikes are prohibited between 10:00-18:00. The cyclist love to film cars and report them, it would have been great to have been able to do the same to cyclists breaking the restrictions.

They do, however, lack the accountability of other road users and therefore there are rarely consequences for crossing red lights, cycling on pavements, sometimes at ridiculous speeds, etc.
As a regular London cyclist, I'm fully in favour of this. I have often shouted "PRICK!" loudly at cyclists running red lights. There's a reason that motorists seem to hate cyclists, and it's the divs that break the rules and spoil it for everyone. I'd be up for paintball-snipers on the roofs of every London junction, to mark with shame every light-running cyclist.
Can you also make use of the designated cycles lanes instead of slowing everyone else down because you’re a cyclist and you think you own the road?
Cyclists do own the road as much as you do. Cyclists have no obligation to use cycling lanes (EDIT - with the exception of where cycle lanes make cycling safer, and this is in no situation other than where drivers are reckless. My personal experience is that cycle lanes are often more dangerous, as they have junctions and lane-changes that are unusual and counter-intuitive), and you're demonstrating your lack of awareness of the highway code by suggesting otherwise. I believe that in the latest version of the highway code, cyclists are encouraged to use the middle of the lane as part of 'defensive cycling' (EDIT - only on slower roads). You shouldn't be passing a bike unless you leave the same amount of space as you would for passing a car. With no ill will, and no anger on my part, I highly recommend that you review the highway code, as you may find it enlightening.
I've been tempted to carry a ziiploc bag of flour and eject it into the air stream for the benefit of roadhog cyclists.
There is no such thing as a roadhog cyclist. See above.
 
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I'm willing to bet 50p that FSD will not be fully self-driving in the UK before 2030. Even regular Enhanced Autopilot is way better on the other side of the road on the continent. The neural nets will need totally retraining to deal with each country and its traffic rules. The nature of machine learning is that we don't know exactly what the software has programmed itself to do, and can't easily change it - you give it a massive set of input data and success criteria, and it uses a process akin to natural selection to find a thing that is 'correct' for all of those inputs. Turning left at an American junction is not like turning left at a British junction, even if you mirror the X axis. Hence, it'll need a whole load of different input data and success criteria, and there's no evidence that Tesla are prioritising or even working on that at the moment.
I’ll do you one better. FSD will never be attainable on current 2022 vehicles hardware.
 
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Cycling aside, to reiterate something I said in another thread, I would temper expectations about FSD being useful in the UK any time soon. Yes, it may be legally allowed, but I doubt Tesla's implementation is going to be functional over here in the near future.

My understanding of machine learning (as an IT consultant, but not an ML specialist) is that you present a neural network with a massive set of input data, and a set of 'correctness' criteria. It then undergoes a process similar to natural selection, where it tries various configurations of that neural net and retains those configurations that score higher on the correctness metric, and discards those that score lower.

You end up with a system that no-one understands - you can't look at a neural net and 'read the code' like you can with something programmed by humans. It's almost like a chaotic or complex system, in that semantically different inputs will yield wildly differently results. So getting FSD to work over here won't be as simple as flipping the X-axis, because UK junctions don't work like US ones.

I've not seen any evidence that Tesla are prioritising learning non-North American road systems. If anything at all, there's evidence to the contrary in that EAP works better (anecdotally) on the continent than in the UK, and after having recently completed a 3,000 mile European road trip, I'm part of the anecdata.

I'd love FSD to be a useful thing. I'd hate for people to spend money on it, expecting a result any time soon.
 
Tesla think the latest release is $3k's worth better than the previous ones in the US. Sounds pretty confident the HW is capable.

Chuck cook has video of test vehicles nailing his left turn, which is among the tougher day to day tasks needed. And this has been arrived at as a generalised solution. I think we are close to saying it's possible. Perfect? Question is still out on that, but definitely possible.

UK legislation, as powered by the upstream sources are moving. It's enough taken all together for me to consider dropping some cash on EAP so FSD is half paid for in the future.
 
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I wouldn’t trust it I used it for about 250 miles yesterday - and wow it was scary with EAP aborting lane cha he’s them slamming on breaks … high beam blinding cars just in front for no reason.

Oh and the autopilot doesn’t seem to know what the navigation is doing, trying to pull out back into the motor way when pulling off onto slip lane
 
My understanding of machine learning (as an IT consultant, but not an ML specialist) is that you present a neural network with a massive set of input data, and a set of 'correctness' criteria.

Which is why Tesla needs a huge amount of data input from the FSD Beta drivers, I think 10gig+ data uploads are not uncommon.

But here in the UK there is pretty much zero chance of that happening thanks to legislation, the US version is getting there. I still don't think there is any other company with anything else close in capability that is released to the general public. However as you say, in the UK currently ZERO chance of seeing anything close :(.