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Parden my dog brain. LEAP are so expensive. I could buy more weekly or monthly option. What is the stragetic reason behind purchasing them.

Guess it’s much much lower risk and dont time decays as regular option and in theory it like getting the stock for $50-60 per share if you dont intend to hold them beyond the expiration year?
For me Leaps create the opportunity to profit from an early rise with leverage. If the rise takes much time, the leverage will be lower to even negative because of premium. For I am convinced of a big rise, but still have no timeframe. Plan on taking profits and rolling 'm further in time, per half year.
If you are not very bullish on say 2.5 years, then never buy LEAPS.
 
Parden my dog brain. LEAP are so expensive. I could buy more weekly or monthly option. What is the stragetic reason behind purchasing them.

Guess it’s much much lower risk and dont time decays as regular option and in theory it like getting the stock for $50-60 per share if you dont intend to hold them beyond the expiration year?
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a. TSLA has to close above 213 for 206 to be the bottom
b. If not, look for the real bottom around 202-203
c. We are in a sensitive zone. The wave count only guarantees another test of 227. May briefly break 230. After that is a big black void.
d. There's still no way to tell if this is a new bull run or a dead cat

I feel there'll be a lot of pain to one side in the next 2 months.
 
a. TSLA has to close above 213 for 206 to be the bottom
b. If not, look for the real bottom around 202-203
c. We are in a sensitive zone. The wave count only guarantees another test of 227. May briefly break 230. After that is a big black void.
d. There's still no way to tell if this is a new bull run or a dead cat

I feel there'll be a lot of pain to one side in the next 2 months.
For C - is the 227/230 expected within 2 weeks? Plan to wait it out till A and B are confirmed and get some spread at +222.5/-227.5 exp 11/24.
 
Whoops, seems I forgot to hit the "Post reply" when I wrote this 3 hours back...

OK, followed through on my plan, although trades weren't exactly in this sequence!
  • STO 100x 11/17 -c220 @$3.1
  • BTO 6x Jan 2026 +c270 @$50
  • BTC 6x Sep -p300 @$95
  • STO 6x Sep 2024 -270 @$92
Roughly break-even on the cash balance

I think it's a good move and will look to migrate the rest of the -p300's to the -270 straddle

Not only does it make the short puts far more likely to expire, but also less likely to early assign, the short -c270's can be rolled for 14 months and the initial write against them has already recuperated 45% of the initial cost, if the short c270's go ITM then the underlying +c270's will be worth more

And of course the initial idea was that the short puts would expire leaving the long puts to write against for 13 months

So it's both lower risk and opportunity later next year

I could actually roll the rest of the -p300's but I want to keep my long calls free for weeklies and to help deal with the weekly ITM puts

Edited for typo: -c220 not -c230! (thanks @intelligator for the heads-up)
 
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For C - is the 227/230 expected within 2 weeks? Plan to wait it out till A and B are confirmed and get some spread at +222.5/-227.5 exp 11/24.
This is where we can make a bit of observation. If 227 is reached in a similar manner as the initial run from 194 - 227, then chances are we'll break 227 and go even higher. If it drags out with a lot of overlapping, be careful.
 
I took the .01 early close for my 205 puts expiring today. If we happen to get a late day swoon then I can just buy the shares that I want. I also have the option available to sell new puts should that later day swoon happen.

Of course the most likely outcome is that nothing meaningful happens. We'll still be in this 215 range later in the day and I could have left it alone and earned that final penny. These are the decisions that my trading rules leads me to. I make these decisions so that the occasional (1/year; 1/5 year?) events don't wipe out all the other goodness. Since I've had more than 3 of those events in the 3 years I've been at this, the cost is cheap and the incremental flexibility is much more valuable.


It's getting really tough continuing to sit out and not just buy up the next batch of shares. Or even go crazy and also buy leaps. Sitting, watching. Wishing for a $200 share price :)


EDIT: While I was at it I considered the 230 strike cc for next Friday. I was guessing the share price hadn't move far enough to make that an appealing open and I was right. About $1 credit to open today - I'll wait for another positive move on Monday before I open that call. Or a negative move on Monday to open the replacement for today's put. Since I've already got a put open for next week (190 strike), the next put I open will be the week after.
 
I took the .01 early close for my 205 puts expiring today. If we happen to get a late day swoon then I can just buy the shares that I want. I also have the option available to sell new puts should that later day swoon happen.

Of course the most likely outcome is that nothing meaningful happens. We'll still be in this 215 range later in the day and I could have left it alone and earned that final penny. These are the decisions that my trading rules leads me to. I make these decisions so that the occasional (1/year; 1/5 year?) events don't wipe out all the other goodness. Since I've had more than 3 of those events in the 3 years I've been at this, the cost is cheap and the incremental flexibility is much more valuable.


It's getting really tough continuing to sit out and not just buy up the next batch of shares. Or even go crazy and also buy leaps. Sitting, watching. Wishing for a $200 share price :)


EDIT: While I was at it I considered the 230 strike cc for next Friday. I was guessing the share price hadn't move far enough to make that an appealing open and I was right. About $1 credit to open today - I'll wait for another positive move on Monday before I open that call. Or a negative move on Monday to open the replacement for today's put. Since I've already got a put open for next week (190 strike), the next put I open will be the week after.
Self discipline is the hardest parts of playing the casino. But you seem to have it in spade.

Myself- I'm still trying to pee in a straight line......
 
Market has been doing several up and down so far in last 2 hours. Wild swing.

Lucky got rid of those AAPL puts.
Off topic AAPL: Happy to have switched to +C 190 11/24 in two moves for same money (so a bit less in count (7:10) ) after hitting SP182.5. Already on profit, compared to initial investment in P 172.50.
ON TOPIC. TSLA Closed C 212,5 11/17 for a 50 % profit. No other trades, fully loaded, So I am a happy man and I wish a happy weekend to y’all.
Oh yeah three long wicks under three weekly candles.. what would that imply?
 
Parden my dog brain. LEAP are so expensive. I could buy more weekly or monthly option. What is the stragetic reason behind purchasing them.

Guess it’s much much lower risk and dont time decays as regular option and in theory it like getting the stock for $50-60 per share if you dont intend to hold them beyond the expiration year?
Leaps are more expensive cause they have greater (time) value. I dont have to time the market perfectly with them. By buying long dated calls, i'm placing a "bet" that the stock price will increase within the next few months. And if it does, I get about twice the returns as if I were to hold stock. (I.e. for every 10% rise in SP my leaps rise at least 20%, ballpark, depends on many factors).

Your short term calls (weekly/monthly) will expire worthless if there is no drastic SP rise very very soon. If there is, it is like winning roulette 35 to 1 , but if the SP drops, stays flat or even rises , but slowly, you get nothing. The risk of that outcome with Leaps is a lot smaller.

Of course you can still buy leaps at a bad time (high SP), but you have greater chance of (smaller) profit.

P.s. you can also sell cc's against long dated calls while you're waiting for your big rise.

In summary, leaps and weeklies are very different tools on your toolbelt, for very different situations.
 
Thanks Team for a wonderful week. What make it great are the feedbacks and supports that was provided to one another, especially those with pea size brain like mine :) Jim said it best - Making money with Friends.

Yes, this week the doggy got a little charred from AAPL but that the learning parts of it as it showed how fast some turns the lost around. Buying call, buying LEAP to offset the loses.

Next week with CPI and OPEC is guaranteed to be a wild one. Stay safe and have a great weekend. See you all in the Casino Monday.

Doggy already signed up for Option BootCamp on Page 1. Got to catch up to big dog Max Plaid….. ;)