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Senator asks Tesla to disable AP until they fix "anti-nag" tricks.
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These YouTube gimmicks are a hoax regarding Tesla's Autopilot, anyone making suggestions to make changes to my Autopilot, needs to drive with autopilot to findout for themselves that waterbottles, oranges or anything else does not work. The idiotic senator, needs to do his homework before mouthing off! FYI...don't mess with my Autopilot!!! lol
Barklikeadog
Active Member
your seatbelt protects -you-
paying attention to the road protects you, -and- other people
A lot of the no nag ability to detect is very spotty. I have had Tesla's including other cars not detecting my hands on the wheel because I'm following the turns and not putting resistance on the wheel. Most nag require you to learn how to have the system want to detect your hands on the wheel. Not having your hands on the wheel. I find this pretty frustrating when I go from car to car.. I do realize this is really new so everyone is still developing.
Wow! It has been a while since I've seen a more rambling, poorly thought out, awkward post. I know you think you have made unarguable points, but really you have barely said anything at all.
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
I just wish there was a real way to get the personal information back to those "youtubers" insurance companies and have their insurance dropped or increased 10X. Anyone can act stupid in any car but for whatever reason if Tesla is mentioned at all it garners a weird increased amount of attention.
Of course he is seeking publicity. But the real lesson here is that the car has many, many issues that will attract exactly this sort of attention. Be careful that no one tells him about the Summon feature. That would blow his mind.
I used to geocache which is looking for hidden containers using a GPS device. There was a geocache hidden in a cemetery, which was removed on request and some state legislator started mouthing off about banning such geocaches! One incident and the guy wants to make a law banning it. Clearly this was his way of creating a straw man to attack and appear to be doing something. This is pretty much the same, except it is about an issue that legislators can get public support if a big enough issue is made of it. There is already a law suit over an autopilot crash that is making headlines. Expect to see more of the same.
That would work well for a mannequin perhaps, but humans don't hold themselves in a constant position for long. It is tiring on the muscles since at any given position only a few muscles are taking the brunt of the forces. Even in out sleep we move around to promote circulation.
That said, I often rest a hand at 12 o'clock with the other hand not on the wheel. It may not be the optimal position, but that's the way I drive my truck too. It has been safe enough for 40+ years. In this position I often get nags and the arm blocks the view of the instrument cluster so I don't see the tiny white sign pop up to nag me or even the only slightly more visible white border at the top. The alarm does get my attention which you only get three of before it locks you out.
I think it is irresponsible for Tesla to disclose any info publicly about accidents without the driver's permission, but they seem to do that often announcing "the drivers hands were not detected on the wheel for x seconds before the crash" or similar. Very inappropriate.
There are a huge number of things happening in a Tesla that are a distraction to driving. Yet another reason why I say they are not smart cars, but rather cell phones with wheels.
If Tesla doesn't take action proactively to minimize the many, many events distracting a driver, the government will, at some point, step in and do it for them.
This thread is about a law maker getting worked up over nag defeats. The operation of navigate on autopilot is a much more dangerous thing. While they claim it is "beta" and so requires the oversight of the user, that oversight means less attention to the road.
DanCar
Active Member
Happily, the U.S. government is ineffective here. It has to have proof of its claims which often takes years to collect. With Tesla changing its software frequently, the government will never have the proof it needs.
Actually they don't. It would be a simple matter to require the auto makers to prove their products safe before allowing the products on the road. Many industries are already that way.
Even if there were an investigation into a current product, improving the product to no longer have that flaw does not relieve a manufacturer from responsibility for the product being investigated. The government often orders recalls or manufacturers are frequently found liable in courts.
Having met government standards is one of the primary defenses in such matters.
Every time you hit a bump, even a dead weight adds or removes torque, though. How often does an average person make involuntary motions at a time that is far enough removed from a bump temporally to definitively say that it wasn’t just caused by momentum? I bet it is way less often than once every twenty seconds. That’s the problem with detecting by torque alone.
Daniel in SD
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You use the accelerometers in the car to correct for torque due to bumps. I bet bumps would actually make detection easier, a human arm probably responds much differently to bumps than a dead weight. The defeat device detection could take place over a long time period and then put the user in autopilot jail.
Ultimately I'm not sure if such system would actually reduce accidents much. It's easy to keep a hand on the wheel while not watching the road.
Why would it respond differently? It is effectively just a mass attached at an attachment point. Yes, there's some amount of elasticity that varies according to how much the person tenses up, but the details are person-dependent, so I can't see any reason you couldn't some up with something that would have a plausible amount of elasticity, and the harder you try to build software to detect such a defeat device, the more real people will get nagged for no reason, which drives down adoption and use of autopilot, which reduces safety far more than any (mostly theoretical) gains from preventing people from driving with hands off while paying attention.
Krugerrand
Meow
Force all potential buyers to submit to extensive psychological testing to discover what their tendencies will be toward - in no particular order;
Stupidity
Self-destruction
Putting others in danger
Stupidity
Becoming a senator
Stupidity
kkillebrew
Banned
This Senator, Jim Chanos, and others have HUGE investments in petroleum at all levels, and they are no longer acting for the public good but rather in the spirit self interest and greed. That should be obvious from the ferocity and stupidity of their claims and threats.
