Nope.
EVERY SINGLE TIME THE OP BUYS GAS, he's part of the problem.
By selling an EV and buying an ICE, he's continuing to "dig the hole."
FIRST RULE OF HOLES: STOP DIGGING.
Why is this so hard for others to understand?!?
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Nope.
EVERY SINGLE TIME THE OP BUYS GAS, he's part of the problem.
By selling an EV and buying an ICE, he's continuing to "dig the hole."
FIRST RULE OF HOLES: STOP DIGGING.
Why is this so hard for others to understand?!?
Actually, no. (Why are so many ill-informed people posting here?)
Climate change is why Tesla exists.
About Tesla | Tesla
And:
Master Plan, Part Deux
I'm guessing that reading has always been difficult for you?
Try again, just read VERY slowly until you can comprehend the material:
COWSPIRACY: The Sustainability Secret
I'm sorry that I didn't cover your latest Faux News climate myth--I don't have time to deal with all of them.
How about if you just pick the Myth of the Day and see where it fits in this list, all run by volunteers trying to "fix" the ignorant and gullible, and thankless, nearly impossible task:
Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined
Oh, and these guys and gals are far better educated on the subject than either of us--how 'bout listening to what they have to say rather than some crackpot on AM Talk Radio or Faux News?
Scientific Consensus | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
I'm sorry you're so poorly informed on the greatest threat facing our entire planet.
Have you considered reading a newspaper, either on line or the actual hard copy, on a regular basis?
You'd know more about the world and the threats it faces if you did so.
Thanks!
Yes, these are very understandable reasons to buy a shovel to dig a deeper hole.
Every time you buy gas you get to help burn the planet and teach Tesla a lesson--great job on giving Tesla what they deserve.
Your family should be so proud.
Uncle Paul
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But somebody has to buy the gas, or all those gas station workers will be out of a job 
C’mon man, your bold type and absolutist position and condescending tone are bad enough, but now you bring OP’s family into it?!? Please just stop.
AMPd
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Didn’t read it the first time you posted that, won’t read it now.
Buuut DONT let that stop you from ranting.
AMPd
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I know there’s a great threat facing our planet but don’t let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, "Spare Tire" Dixon.
For how long? My S85 had impressive charge speeds also until they decided to cut it off. The charging speed is just one aspect of what happens about 10 miles of rated range went away overnight vampire drain is much higher because battery coolant pumps run much more often and way longer than they used to. Regen is limited at much higher battery temperatures than it used to be. Full power is not available at much higher battery temperatures than it used to be. And as the OP states supercharging times for me have increased not quite double but for all intents and purposes it takes about twice as long as it used to. None of that I signed up for when I bought the car The car that I have today is not the car that I bought. It has not improved honestly. my touch screen got destroyed when version 9 was introduced That took away most of the functionality that I used to enjoy there. all that said I still like the car and drive it daily but it's not as good as it used to be and a three for me is not an option I just don't like it
You know, TSLA pilot, Eye doesn't drive much. Given the inherent tradeoffs in EVs vs ICE environmentally, it is better to have an EV in the hand of a higher mileage driver.
Driving just 8k miles a year in an efficient gasser is way better than the average joe is doing. Selling a Tesla to someone who will displace more gas than you did is also a winning proposition.
I was hopeful that staying at home and all that would make folks a bit more civil.
As someone with an older car, it stills drives great and my range is totally fine. No one who purchased in 2015 (or 2016 or of course earlier) could predict with reasonable certainty what would happen with a 5 year old Tesla. To think that there would be no changes over time was not a reasonable assumption. The Leaf had already shown what can happen. Even by 2013, we were seeing Leaf batteries degrade prematurely.
Driving just 8k miles a year in an efficient gasser is way better than the average joe is doing. Selling a Tesla to someone who will displace more gas than you did is also a winning proposition.
I was hopeful that staying at home and all that would make folks a bit more civil.
As someone with an older car, it stills drives great and my range is totally fine. No one who purchased in 2015 (or 2016 or of course earlier) could predict with reasonable certainty what would happen with a 5 year old Tesla. To think that there would be no changes over time was not a reasonable assumption. The Leaf had already shown what can happen. Even by 2013, we were seeing Leaf batteries degrade prematurely.
Really well said. I like the quality, comfort, space, design, performance and image of Teslas. I guess that the fact that they're eco-friendly is a small bonus, but a bigger one is that it doesn't smell like gasoline or diesel. When I ordered the car I was excited to damn drive it. I wasn't thinking about how I'm saving a "burning planet". I'm a big supporter of Tesla, but that's only because it's just a better car than its ICE competitors. Has nothing to do with CO2 emissions. In fact, I didn't check those for a single car that I shortlisted.
AMPd
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Except this isn’t normal degradation, and it’s not reasonable to assume that a company would be so shady... well it wasn’t reasonable, now it’s perfectly reasonable to assume Tesla will screw you any chance they get in order to make a profit and please Wall St.
whitex
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Or it is Tesla who is digging the deeper hole here, by turning existing customers off of the brand? Maybe customers get turned off when they purchase a car advertised at 691hp only to find out later that 463hp is all that the car will ever produce, the 691 number was theoretical motor power if that motor was put into some other car with a 50% higher power battery and power delivery system. Or maybe the customer got into an accident and realized that their insurance company will not cover months of down time while the repair shop waits for parts. Or maybe they got turned off when Tesla decided that a 6 month old yellowing display is normal wear and tear. Or maybe it was the supercharging and/or range capping. Perhaps a combination of all Tesla ownership experiences? Customers can refuse to give Tesla more money to save the earth, just like you won't pay people to buy another Tesla either.
Or are you offering cash to save the earth? If my current Tesla was to get totaled, mostly likely I would not buy another one. Nor am I planning to buy more Teslas right now, but if I find a car I like, ICE or not, I'm in. HOWEVER, if you threw in $50K, I would buy Model 3 as a backup car for when Tesla is servicing the Model S'es, and continue to buy more Model S. I'll even plate and insure the M3SR at my own cost, let my kids use it when I am not (they can only afford used ICE, so it would be saving the earth too). If you don't send me the money, are you digging a deeper hole (since if you did, I'd buy more EV's and my kids would drive the spare car instead of ICE cars)? Or is it ok for you to refuse to give me money to save the earth, but not ok for someone to refuse to give Tesla money to save the earth?
Yes, of course you're right.
His children shouldn't be concerned about planetary-scale damage caused by their parents.
No one should.
We should all just ignore the threat, keep doing what we're doing, and hug each other while singing songs and dancing. Perhaps we can even do some finger painting! [sarcasm]
What is wrong with you, besides being stunningly uninformed about the greatest threat we face as a species?
Here's a clue to get you started; it's the first step to being less ignorant:
Thwaites glacier in Antarctica melting could impact sea levels: NASA
And:
jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7322
Key point:
About the size of Florida, Thwaites Glacier is currently responsible for approximately 4 percent of global sea level rise. It holds enough ice to raise the world ocean a little over 2 feet (65 centimeters) and backstops neighboring glaciers that would raise sea levels an additional 8 feet (2.4 meters) if all the ice were lost.
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p.s. When this or some major climate change event occurs, it will make C-19 look like a friggin' picnic. Why do so many fail to comprehend the implications?
Ah, yes, the "Don't bother me with the facts; my mind is made up!" argument.
Normally we have erudite posters on TMC, but there remain too many like this one . . . .
We need Darwin more than ever as even the least intelligent seem to survive these days.
Pure rationalization.
At the end of the day, "eye" is going to return to giving money to fossil fuel companies that have been and are the most profitable companies on the planet. Those profits exist because their massive damage to the planet will be paid for by others.
Period.
This is unconscionable.
There are a plethora of non-Tesla EV's that "eye" could have purchased if he was so intent on giving them the finger for their "transgressions." He chose to be a part of the problem instead.
Shame on him.
“Every time you spend money, you're casting a vote for the kind of world you want.”
― Anna Lappe
Personally, if I was that ignorant and uninformed on the single greatest threat facing our entire planet, I wouldn't be bragging about it in a public forum.
Instead, I'd start learning about it, and then DOING something about it, such as informing others that were similarly uninformed.
Let's hope you might start doing that too?
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