Does the suit and or the NHSTA petition specify only 2012-2015 Model S and X? Mine is a 2016 Model S70, and it has been infected with the same plague, battery capped and doubling supercharging time !
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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DJRas
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I would love to read your BMS.
I don't have any data from a P85D yet.
But, this clearly shows Tesla's recent claims (to owners complaining at the Service Center) that ALL early Model S are affected by the software updates are lies.
DJRas
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From the NHTSA petition
"In order to ensure that all Tesla owners are provided with an accurate notification of the potential safety issues and defects involved with their vehicles, NHTSA should conduct a formal investigation regarding the safety of Tesla 2012-2019 Model S and X vehicles."
Another good example of what they have done to our cars at will.
This is totally unacceptable. Hopefully the lawsuit will hold them accountable.
I have always (since I first bought the car in 2013) found that I need to charge to at least 30% beyond the desired range (ie, charge to 130 miles indicated range for an actual drive of 100 miles) to compensate for speed and weather/road conditions. The range indicator on the car assumes you are driving at 55/65 mph. If you drive faster (such as on a highway with a 70 mph speed limit, or are driving uphill, in rain, snow, etc.) the energy consumption will be greater. You only added 20% beyond the distance you needed to travel. In my experience that is not enough.
You know it’s really sad Tesla is doing what they are doing I would have never believed it if you told me last year about batterygate.
Like everyone said earlier folks are still just finding out this is affecting them. Tesla has my new battery I have to wait three weeks to install on10/22. And will update if it’s capped I will definitely be checking miles at 90% before accepting it back.
Like everyone said earlier folks are still just finding out this is affecting them. Tesla has my new battery I have to wait three weeks to install on10/22. And will update if it’s capped I will definitely be checking miles at 90% before accepting it back.
Get the ScanMyTesla app and check the battery at the service center before accepting the battery replacement. The app will tell you what the 100% SOC range will be even if the battery is charged to less than 100%.
DJRas
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“Loss of Range is not covered under the Warranty” is a total distraction and an excuse to avoid taking responsibility of what they have done to our batteries.
Here is the logic of it:
Our batteries have been intentionally crippled by this unauthorized capping ==> They are crippled because they are unexpectedly unsafe to hold high voltage ==> They are unsafe ==> They must be replaced.
If any of this logic is inaccurate ==> they would have not imposed capping in the first place OR they would have lifted it by this time.
30% extra is what I do as well. My winter consumption by itself is 30% higher than summer. Given this winter is the first with the capped batteries (along with other battery warming energy demands), we are in a much bigger surprise.
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Ferrycraigs
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Wow, did NHTSA or Engadget actually claim that? That they SHOULD HAVE issued a recall? Thats pretty serious if they did.
And I 100% agree with the rest of your post. Spot on.
Ferrycraigs
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Normally I get very frustrated when it is pointed out that journalists have misquoted. But not in this instance. This time, it’s quite reassuring. I had spent most of today investigating he MB EQC, as I thought it was time to leave the sinking ship. Might hang in in there for a bit longer.
Ferrycraigs
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Engadget reported that that is what the NHTSA said, but it isn't. They haven't even started a probe. So it is just bad reporting.
Ferrycraigs
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I’m sure I have read somewhere that all pre facelift S85s have been affected by Chargegate. I have no idea if that is true. Batterygate seems to have affected a much smaller group of cars.
I have certainly never heard of any pre facelift 90s that have been capped.
Ferrycraigs
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Bad reporting? Surely not!
Thanks for the clarification. It sounded too good to be true.
With v10 apparently increaing the ampount of cars capped by batterygate I think it's becoming safe to assume all cars are affected - but not all cars have been crippled yet. It's a matter of time, and that's why Tesla can't talk about it or fix it.
You have to wonder if this is why Porsche and Audi are advertised and sold with the caps in place.
You have to wonder if this is why Porsche and Audi are advertised and sold with the caps in place.
I don't think these two things are related. To get the full charge rate at a Supercharger your battery needs to be 25 Celsius or higher. As mentioned above I have monitored battery temperature over years now. At the supercharger the car would reduce charge rate when the battery was too cold and activate the battery heater. The software update just made the car smarter by heating up a cold battery en route. The ideal temperature point and reduced charge rate was already in place as long as I have my car (since 2014). On AC charging the lowest temperature for the battery to receive full charge rate of 10/20 kW is 8 degrees C. The highest temperature to get full speed at the supercharger is aprox 52 degrees Celsius. Once higher the charge rate is reduced.
As far as I can tell these things haven't changed with recent software updates. The only change is the enroute warmup and the previously mentioned extra cooling once the battery reaches aprox 88%.
I'm also looking into the EQC. The reviews are very positive. On top of that, they are a well established and reputable company.
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