Supercharger growth

[jhm]

Wow this is one glitzy Supercharger station. I'm pretty sure this crosses over into the realm of advertising, not that that is a bad thing.
Underground Tesla Supercharger station in London is stunning

 

[stevezzzz]

Somebody deserves an 'attaboy' for making this happen. Stylish, welcoming and unlikely to be ICEd inadvertently.

 

[Rheazombi]

guh, that is beyond sexy *__* (Also, hello new desktop background!)

Also, not that anyone asked, but would you guys be interested in an animated gif or video showing when/where each Supercharger appeared in the US? Like a timeline showing SC expansion. I was thinking of making this in my spare time (I'm really assuming nobody has bothered to do it yet).

 

[jhm]

guh, that is beyond sexy *__* (Also, hello new desktop background!)

Also, not that anyone asked, but would you guys be interested in an animated gif or video showing when/where each Supercharger appeared in the US? Like a timeline showing SC expansion. I was thinking of making this in my spare time (I'm really assuming nobody has bothered to do it yet).

Thanks for offering. There's an animaion at Superchargers go to "map options" > "way back".

I would love to see a gif of the Europe Maps present to 2016.

 

[republic]

Wow this is one glitzy Supercharger station. I'm pretty sure this crosses over into the realm of advertising, not that that is a bad thing.
Underground Tesla Supercharger station in London is stunning

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Wait, how many stalls is that? Supercharge.info and teslamotors.com both have only 2 stalls for London Canary Wharf, which is obviously untrue judging by the photos.

 

[Gerasimental]

I just noticed that in France, all but 2 superchargers have only 2 stalls. The exceptions are Toulouse with 8 and Nancy with 4.

Any idea why this is?

The only explanations I can think of are that they expect lower utilisation rates in France or that its much more difficult to built big Superchargers in France for some reason or another.

I can't really imagine the 2nd being the case, and I simply disagree with the 1st. The French Superchargers are used by Germans, Swiss, Italians, Brits, Beneluxians etc when travelling around Europe and the one time I've been to an SC in France, there were 4 cars sharing 2 stalls.

I'm hoping they wanted to get the hard work of getting a site out of the way and will soon extend their SCs and add more stalls.

 

[ScepticMatt]

^ often temporary superchargers, on a pallet.

 

[Rheazombi]

Thanks for offering. There's an animaion at Superchargers go to "map options" > "way back".

I loove that feature. GIFs/videos are nice though cus they're more easily shareable on social media, etc. I still might make one... depends how bored I am, lol. It would have a running total on one side, and the dates/locations listed in an organized, easy to read way. I would make it look slick! *does guitar riff*

 

[jhm]

I loove that feature. GIFs/videos are nice though cus they're more easily shareable on social media, etc. I still might make one... depends how bored I am, lol. It would have a running total on one side, and the dates/locations listed in an organized, easy to read way. I would make it look slick! *does guitar riff*

I think designing this for social media is a great idea. I'd love to post it on Facebook.

It might be good to focus on just one region at a time for a more local feel.

 

[vgrinshpun]

Originally Posted by jhm

There's an animaion at Superchargers go to "map options" > "way back".

Wow, this "way back" is very cool feature indeed, thanks for posting!

 

[KJD]

Wow, this "way back" is very cool feature indeed, thanks for posting!

Yes it is a cool feature. Make sure you click sound on button.

 

[macpacheco]

My money is on a large destination charging push by 2016.

2015 likely will double the total number of SCs, but we should realize that most trips involve not more than one supercharger if you have good charging in both ends. Charging after arriving removes the waiting part, and involves less demand charges (for those paying for the juice to charge) and is ridiculously cheaper than a SC station.

At the same time existing congestioned SCs stations will undergo massive expansion / opening relief superchargers on some areas where there is massive demand. In some areas there will eventually be a supercharger every 40-60 miles, but don't count on that as standard, it will be only in heavily traveled areas.

Why the destination charging push by 2016. At that point Tesla should have 100k cars worldwide on the road, likely with 100k cars production forecast for 2016 (or at least 2017). At that point I doubt there will be a single high end hotel/bnb/resort that won't have received a hundred requests for Tesla charging, once the first nationwide chain closes a deal to get Tesla charging, others will fall in line (like the change from hotel wifi being a rare feature, to everybody must have it). I also expect cheaper hotels to at least provide some 240V charging (even if billed per kWh or per hour). Perhaps 2017 will be the year EVs became truly mainstream (chargers everywhere, solid predictions of a million EVs on the road before 2020). Well one can hope !

BTW, I don't really believe in battery packs beyond 100kWh. The trick is reducing their weight. A 100kWh pack @ current 60kWh weight should deliver 350 miles easily (on a single motor, perhaps 400 miles on a standard dual motor). And a 85kWh pack with weight 20% less than current 60kWh should deliver 300 miles. At those points we're already talking 5+ hours driving @ 65mph. So with a single hour long stop for lunch it should be able to drive 8-10 hours depending on how economic you are. I believe Tesla will find many tricks like the roadster upgrade to further increase Model S range without a battery upgrade.

 

[jhm]

I agree that destination charging should be a big push. Think Tesla owners can facilitate this simply by asking hotels and other destinations to provide this service and voting with their travel dollars. I expect that Tesla will be quite willing to work with these businesses. I think in some cases Tesla will provide the HPWC for free, and tax incentives exist in the US to cover at least part of the installation cost. I suspect this is really quite a no brainer for many businesses.

 

[macpacheco]

I agree that destination charging should be a big push. Think Tesla owners can facilitate this simply by asking hotels and other destinations to provide this service and voting with their travel dollars. I expect that Tesla will be quite willing to work with these businesses. I think in some cases Tesla will provide the HPWC for free, and tax incentives exist in the US to cover at least part of the installation cost. I suspect this is really quite a no brainer for many businesses.

Let me add that HPWC installations in the end are a huge $$$ win for Tesla, as long as they get used a lot. Payback should be less than 5 years (HPWC costs for Tesla paid for in savings elsewhere) in supercharger congestion relief (supercharger upgrade minimization) and the electricity is on the HPWC host. The trick is choosing locations where the HPWC will have the highest usage.

 

[ecarfan]

I think in some cases Tesla will provide the HPWC for free, and tax incentives exist in the US to cover at least part of the installation cost. I suspect this is really quite a no brainer for many businesses.

The Tesla Destination Charging program as it stands right now will provide a free HPWC and a free Clipper Creek J1772 charger to any destination they deem worthy, and in my experience they are pretty lenient (meaning they don't restrict it to large hotels or high end resorts, but small off-the-beaten track destinations as well). Tesla may even offer to assist in paying for some of the installation cost!

I know this because I put a small business near Yosemite National Park, but well off the highway and out in the woods, in touch with Tesla to get an HPWC and that is what Tesla has offered them.

 

[jhm]

The Tesla Destination Charging program as it stands right now will provide a free HPWC and a free Clipper Creek J1772 charger to any destination they deem worthy, and in my experience they are pretty lenient (meaning they don't restrict it to large hotels or high end resorts, but small off-the-beaten track destinations as well). Tesla may even offer to assist in paying for some of the installation cost!

I know this because I put a small business near Yosemite National Park, but well off the highway and out in the woods, in touch with Tesla to get an HPWC and that is what Tesla has offered them.

Yeah, that sounds like the kind of offer my product specialist mentioned for a luxury high rise I know. The high rise has about 120 condos. The offer could be 2 HPWC s and 2 J1772s. I figure that once in place Tesla could sell 4 to 6 cars per year. So the free equipment may costs Tesla about $2500. They pay back in terms of sales would come with 2 or 3 cars sold.

So it's a pretty good deal for everyone.

 

[Timmy]

Wow this is one glitzy Supercharger station. I'm pretty sure this crosses over into the realm of advertising, not that that is a bad thing.
Underground Tesla Supercharger station in London is stunning

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The area is beautiful and would certainly attract attention and curiosity from anyone who doesn't know about Tesla. Does anyone know if it's common in London for the car to extend beyond the marked lines of the parking space? It's the only part that seems rather odd.

 

[ScepticMatt]

Three new in China (nanjing, shanghai, zhuhai): 超级充电站 | Tesla Motors
one in US, two in europe, maybe more? Can anyone find those?
(comparing teslamotors.com to supercharge.info)

 

[Jim MacInnes]

We worked with Tesla to install 2-80 Amp HPWC's and a Clipper Creek Level II charger at our resort in northern lower Michigan to become their first destination charging partner north of Detroit. Crystal Mountain | Michigan Ski, Golf Spa Resort Tesla was great to work with and we are glad to be on their charging map. We have 5 charging stations in all.

 

[arg]

I just noticed that in France, all but 2 superchargers have only 2 stalls. The exceptions are Toulouse with 8 and Nancy with 4.

Any idea why this is?

I was told by a Tesla source that this is due to particularly slow bureaucratic procedures for getting a new large-capacity power feed installed in France - hence all the early installations were based on whatever power they could find that was already available without getting the power company to do new work.

He was rather unhappy to have read comments in forums about their "incompetence" in installing only 2 stalls, when in fact they had been busting a gut to get anything installed at all!