Mrbrock
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The hotel could have offered the valet garage either due to more space or maybe even closer to power. There are many possible reasons other than them trying to make money off of it.
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Supercharger - Honolulu, HI - Kahala Resort (12 stalls)
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Hopefully that's true, and they stop trying to make money from it. I guess if Tesla footed the bill, then all of us who ultimately paid for it (Tesla's customers) will just have to patiently wait for them to figure out this current idea makes little sense, and to then open it up as a public charger. 12 stalls w/ 250kW would bring a lot of foot traffic to the hotel's services that otherwise wouldn't be there. A lot of people who charge at big hotels end up going inside and spending money.
Mrbrock
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If they spend money, the valet parking is free so nothing needs to change. That system is already in place.
Sure, in a way. I guess I was thinking the "this time I'll go grab dinner because I have some free time" and then next time "I'll go grab a drink while I wait" and the next time "I'm in a hurry and will not go inside today" should be a reasonable expectation for them - not to mention the increase in patronage from people who simply discover the hotel/restaurant because of the charger, and end up as repeat customers regardless of charging.
"Spend $25 inside to avoid $50 outside" and dealing with a valet is just going to end up with the <checks app right now> "12/12 available stalls" forever and a waste of all this effort, in a place that desperately needs more supercharging capacity.
Mrbrock
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Because land is expensive and this is the only place that would work out a lease with them.
Since it is in the valet garage, it will likely not change to public access unless they switch the access to the garages (don’t know if this is even feasible).
The app has now updated to reflect the cost @ $6/20min. @lensovet the FAQ link is helpful, but the FAQ is at fault for not being clear too. You posted the first question "How much is Parking" but skipped the next FAQ about electric charging specifically (which is the section people wanting to charge are probably reading), the full FAQ reads as follows:
"while dining or shopping" doesn't immediately seem to obviously mean "as a hotel guest", it reads as if it's talking to non-guests and so the omission of the $6 rate and the mention of "valet" and "$50" is pretty awkward of them. Nevertheless, it seems like they're going to valet your car for 20min to supercharge it for $6, which is still ridiculous, just a lot less ridiculous than $50.
"while dining or shopping" doesn't immediately seem to obviously mean "as a hotel guest", it reads as if it's talking to non-guests and so the omission of the $6 rate and the mention of "valet" and "$50" is pretty awkward of them. Nevertheless, it seems like they're going to valet your car for 20min to supercharge it for $6, which is still ridiculous, just a lot less ridiculous than $50.
Mrbrock
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I think the question is whether you can valet for $6 in 20 minute intervals. Most charging stops would be 30 minutes or less so $12. Some people won’t want to spend $50 to save $12. But if they only option is a flat $50 to valet regardless of length of parking, that changes things.
Hopefully you're in a majority for whom this pricing is straightforward, but it seems like there is a lot of confusion - and the fact we disagree on this suggests to me that the FAQ is not clear. Perhaps people reading the first answer will get it quicker, as you did - but if I'm going there to charge my EV, I'm reading the EV charging question, I'm not going there 'to park'.
Regardless I'm honestly still not even sure at this point whether they valet your car for $6 for a 20min charging session (or you can drive yourself to the stall for $6), but it does seem like they do valet it. For 20min. Which even if free would be ridiculous at a supercharger. If I have to deal with valet nonsense just to charge (something I pay Tesla for already), even if free, I'm never doing it, and avoiding the resort. If I can go and charge my car at the supercharger when I want to without any hassle or weird fees, I might spend money at the resort. I guess it's just down to how many locals are in the same situation. The Aiea supercharger being a "pack your lunch and watch a movie" experience might be the only thing going for the Kahala SC right now.
It's been mentioned multiple times in this thread that the floor where the chargers are located is only accessible by valet.
So yes, they will valet your car to charge and it will be at $6/20 minutes unless you purchase something worth $50+ at the resort.
So yes, they will valet your car to charge and it will be at $6/20 minutes unless you purchase something worth $50+ at the resort.
@Bighorn charged here a couple of days ago. It was evening, he left his car with the valet, enjoyed a nice dinner and complimentary/validated parking.
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