Tesomega
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OP: Can you refill GAS from your Roof on your Prius ?
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Supercharging now costs more than gas (one owner's experience)
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SageBrush
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Sure.
No, except perhaps for the Tesla owners that only DCFC at Superchargers. Soon enough, car owners will also be able to DC charge at CCS locations. So even those owners without home or work charging will likely have options to overall pay refueling costs at rates considerably below ICE, just perhaps not all the time.
Lastly, if you think petrol prices are not going up, I have a bridge to sell at a great price.
CyberGus
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I guess a bit off topic but no better place to post than here as a soon to be new MYP owner, first time EV owner and a once for about 6 months Prius owner.
Gas here where we live is $2.93/gal. My wife drives (this will be her car) a Jeep GC that gets about 16 MPG. I/We don't give a crap about the savings of fuel as our test drive last night for the first time was RIDICULOUS. Any one else here buy a Tesla for the enjoyment and tech rather than the gas savings and saving the planet?
I also am lost in all the (cost per mile) threads as it can get nauseating and quite confusing. It appears that it is a bit magical to calculate all this because each person seems to have their own spin on this.
Gas here where we live is $2.93/gal. My wife drives (this will be her car) a Jeep GC that gets about 16 MPG. I/We don't give a crap about the savings of fuel as our test drive last night for the first time was RIDICULOUS. Any one else here buy a Tesla for the enjoyment and tech rather than the gas savings and saving the planet?
I also am lost in all the (cost per mile) threads as it can get nauseating and quite confusing. It appears that it is a bit magical to calculate all this because each person seems to have their own spin on this.
Quite a lot of people, actually, at least I think so.
CyberGus
Not Just a Member
The OP was presenting a strawman argument; no one ever promised that the fluctuating costs of energy would always favor EVs.
Most EV charging is done at home, off-peak. Supercharging cost is the worst-case scenario.
But yeah, I would happily pay twice the price for fuel for the joy of driving a Tesla.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
No doubt.
Then it is convenient that you do not care.
My casual observation is that the people who are the loudest and proudest about being self-centered, are the ones who most struggle with arithmetic. It's curious.
Its pretty easy to see where you are getting that thought, though. Look at the stops at gothenburg and lincoln. 13 minutes of "penalty" rates there for more than $9 at gothenburg, and 12 minutes at lincoln at penalty rates for 8.28. thats almost $18 of your $49 at penalty rates (either charges because you were charging too high a percentage at a congested supercharger, or because you let the car sit after finishing charging).
34% (just over 1/3rd) of your charging was done at penalty supercharger rates. If you did this same trip NOT during thanksgiving, you probably would have spent less money.
El joe
Active Member
Funny, my kids actually look forward to stops and watching Disney+ while charging.
Then I suppose, with your two objectives you should sell your model 3 and get a prius. That isnt ment to be funny, now is the time. Many people selling their model 3s are getting close to, or more than what they paid for them, even after owning them for a year or more.
I dont consider a "2021 Prius eco L" to be anywhere in the same class as this car. I would never own one myself, but many do. If thats the right car for you, then thats what you should get. You didnt mention driving experience anywhere, and no one interested in driving experience would say a prius has the same or even close driving experience as a model 3, no matter which one you have.
I have said this before, but every car is not for every person, and thats fine, its why we have choice. The time to get out is now, when the car values are great and you can get out without losing much (if any) money.
Those aren't penalty rates. Those are the rates for charging by the minute in the top tier. (Tier are based on the kW charge rate, so as your charging tapers your cost per minute drops.)
ahh... ok... we dont have any "by the minute" chargers out here in CA that I am aware of. I havent ever been to one like that. Appreciate the correction (sincerely appreciate the correction).
Yeah it depends on if Tesla is allowed to charge by the kWh in a given state. This post has some good information on the tiers and pricing after the most recent change:
I did about 8 years ago.. And I while I do save $ over gas and it doesn't hurt that the car is pretty green, it's more about the driving experience for me
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
My previous ICE car was approx $0.22/mile (low mileage and premium gas)
Charging at home my S is approx $0.03/mile
Supercharging (assuming the previously mentioned $0.33/kwh average): $0.11/mile
Went on an 1800 mile trip. Charging from home prior and after. Using free hotel destination chargers where possible. Limiting the SuC stops. Total trip was $100 ($120 including the home gas). Would have been lucky to do it for $350 in my ICE.
Definitely a savings for me.
Lasairfion
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I presume the environment isn't a factor either? I think a lot of people want an EV to help air pollution issues too. There's a lot of associated health costs (personally and wider) that could be factored in here as well.
Jason Bloomberg
Member
We make our own fuel for our all electric home and EVs. When we travel our 2012 Signature Red P85 Model S has free Supercharging for life. If we take our 2018 Model X instead we will pay for Supercharging. Having owned a Prius, I find comparing it to any Tesla laughable. It's not even comparing apples to oranges it's comparing very different driving experiences as if they are equivalent when they aren't.
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JPP
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...and as we all know it is not only the cost of 'fuel' but the lifetime cost of maintenance, repairs, etc to be factored in...
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
I've also owned both, and while I agree with you I can say that if my Prius was a BEV I would still be driving that car. Not because I thought it was a great driving experience like the Tesla but because I don't really care that much about the differences once the novelty wears off.
A BEV that can be charged from PV at home, now that is worth paying for.
Peelz
Budding EV fanatic.
My highest ever charge cost was in Lakewood Colorado, and it was only $19.80 for about a 70% charge from 20 up to 90, or 55kwh for the Y,( think this was the numbers not sure)
Id expect 140+ miles from that at the absolute worst. At the prices gas was during the trip, that was $3.29. Had we used the Pathfinder, and got 19mpg (best) we're looking at nearly $25.
On that trip though, the OVERALL savings for 2100 miles in a week was at least $150 utilizing one destination charger for free.
Its not close. Our day to day operations of the car over 14k miles in 6 months is close to a grand saved vs burning dinosaurs.
Charge at home, supercharge on trips or destination chargers when you can.
Id expect 140+ miles from that at the absolute worst. At the prices gas was during the trip, that was $3.29. Had we used the Pathfinder, and got 19mpg (best) we're looking at nearly $25.
On that trip though, the OVERALL savings for 2100 miles in a week was at least $150 utilizing one destination charger for free.
Its not close. Our day to day operations of the car over 14k miles in 6 months is close to a grand saved vs burning dinosaurs.
Charge at home, supercharge on trips or destination chargers when you can.
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