We had the same spike. Standard supply price was set January 2023 around the NG price peak.
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Bogus "Gas Savings"
- Thread starter rwiegand
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We're currently at 32 cents/kwh, they raise the rates for half the year in January, it was 46 cents last year, expected to be higher than that this coming January. Might be cheaper to use superchargers!
That's rough. Ontario just got 2.4 cents/kwh over night rate, in exchange for higher peak rate (24 cents/kwh). At 32 cents/kwh, might make sense to get solar roofs.
fiehlsport
Tire Guy
Solar is absolutely rampant in the Boston suburbs. I thought my friend was kidding when he said a Model 3 costs more to drive than his GTI. It's true... (Lack of oil changes and brakes more than makes up for it, but still)
Do not forget the “-saving” from extra “gas tax” one may have to pay for owning a Tesla. In the great state of Tennessee, we will soon to pay $274 a year extra (based on 1000 gal annual consumption of 0.27 c per gal gas tax).
Come from a Prius to a Y, I would guess my real saving to own the Y would be either minimal or negative considering an expensive tire replacement I just had for my 23 YLR. However, the driving fun, kid friendly high tech features, & avoiding going to gas stations are priceless.
Come from a Prius to a Y, I would guess my real saving to own the Y would be either minimal or negative considering an expensive tire replacement I just had for my 23 YLR. However, the driving fun, kid friendly high tech features, & avoiding going to gas stations are priceless.
Wow. Some states are really screwing over EV owners now.
I’m all for paying a higher registration fee to cover gas taxes but they are now comparing a 13.5 mpg vehicle driving the average 13,500 miles a year to an EV?
I wish I can use this to justify my potential cybertruck purchase to my better half. But safety (a tank protection) for kids approach may do it. Economy surely makes no sense for its intended usage for me.I'm taking the opposite viewpoint. I want the charge stats to show the biggest savings possible regardless of the truth. It helps me rationalize the car to my better half.
EVer Hopeful
Active Member
I've only used Superchargers two or three times and the last one of those was Jan 2022 so I have no idea how much I spend charging the vehicle. I just come home, get out and plug it in. Next morning, lie magic, it's full again!
It's a lot like Socialism - My electricity is free because the government pays for it, albeit that I AM the government
Viva Socialism and my free car!
It's a lot like Socialism - My electricity is free because the government pays for it, albeit that I AM the government
Viva Socialism and my free car!
My other car is a Chevy Bolt, so I don't save crap from driving the Tesla 
When I purchased the Tesla I was considering either selling the Bolt, or trading it in but my wife loves that little car way too much to give it up, so we are now an all EV family (until I get my shop built, and get a project car). When we were considering trading in the Bolt, I did find it amusing that I would save so much money compared to the cost of the gas I was burning... If I show a friend or co-worker the tesla order pages, I always switch to "purchase price" and explain potential saving based on the vehicle they have now compared to the Tesla they are considering purchasing.
In my opinion, Tesla should allow customers to input the vehicle they currently own (for EPA milage), and the city they live in (for both gasoline price and electric rates) to get customized projections of the savings they could have by switching to an EV.
Later,
Keith
When I purchased the Tesla I was considering either selling the Bolt, or trading it in but my wife loves that little car way too much to give it up, so we are now an all EV family (until I get my shop built, and get a project car). When we were considering trading in the Bolt, I did find it amusing that I would save so much money compared to the cost of the gas I was burning... If I show a friend or co-worker the tesla order pages, I always switch to "purchase price" and explain potential saving based on the vehicle they have now compared to the Tesla they are considering purchasing.
In my opinion, Tesla should allow customers to input the vehicle they currently own (for EPA milage), and the city they live in (for both gasoline price and electric rates) to get customized projections of the savings they could have by switching to an EV.
Later,
Keith
Yeah, Arkansas did the same thing (200 per year per EV). The more EV's on the road the more pushback they will get on this crap. Granted, some method of making up for road tax on fuel is needed... but charging EV drivers significantly MORE than they would pay if they were driving a huge gas guzzling ICE car is not the solution.
Keith
PS: State and Federal government combined make more "direct" profit from gasoline sales than any oil company, and when you add in taxes on crude oil, and corporate taxes on oil companies / gas stations / refineries the government "take" on gasoline is huge compared to what the oil companies make... anyone still wonder why they are not seriously pushing EV's? Oil companies don't need to bribe politicians when the government is making more money off of oil than the oil companies are.
Forgot to add:
Kia needs 2 or 3 oil changes per year, depending on miles driven
Air filters
Serpentine belt replaced this year
Spark plugs replaced this year
Getting ready to budget for brakes in a couple of months
Model 3 after 2 years
Windshield washer fluid $12
Cabin air filters $24 (replaced them myself)
I don't expect to EVER need brakes since they are as new ( I do get on them HARD from 60 or 70 MPH every few weeks to make sure they don't rust)
Also, I guess I got lucky because I have not had single thing that needed service since I picked it up in July of 2021.
Saving up for a Model 3 Highland or Model S Long Range if I can swing it.
So far in my 60 years of driving, my Model 3 is hands down the best car I have ever owned!
Sadly, both of those cars have removed the gear and turn signal stalks in favor of gear selection on screen and haptic steering wheel.buttons for blinkers and other controls. It's not good.
Not a big deal to me - comparing it to another mid-SUV car that runs on gas seems reasonable. The regional average gas price is pretty close to other's averages of current gas prices, and the electricity consumption of the car is the electricity consumption of the car (it doesn't matter whether it's lost in inefficiencies or not, it's still the amount consumed). I think it's an interesting comparison, even if it's not a specific comparison applicable to my personal situation. I certainly don't think they're bogus numbers - they're just not the numbers some people think they are.
OP compared the gas savings using his previous non-plug in hybrid....smh. Of course that is not a fair comparison. Those gas savings estimates are assuming for pure gas car only savings. Throwing in a mixture of a hybrid car with short commute with no freeways where the gas engine is not kicked on using it is skewed results.
Its funny to me how much people rely on those stupid stats and think that there is the only justification for getting an EV is gas savings. You are not going to make up the cost for the lifetime of the car between an EV and gas/hybrid car just purely on "gas savings" anyways even if you give it Tesla's aggressive gas savings numbers
Its funny to me how much people rely on those stupid stats and think that there is the only justification for getting an EV is gas savings. You are not going to make up the cost for the lifetime of the car between an EV and gas/hybrid car just purely on "gas savings" anyways even if you give it Tesla's aggressive gas savings numbers
Um. No offense, but it depends upon the hybrid. A non-plug in hybrid that's Always On like a Prius really does get 50 mpg or thereabouts on the road; it's simply not possible to run it, say, five miles without the gas engine kicking on and off to keep the battery at its nominal 80% or so.
Now, plug-in hybrids usually have a much larger battery pack and it actually is possible to run XX miles or so before the gas engine kicks in; and some hybrids (not the Toyotas) have a gas engine that acts more like a poor man's portable electric generator. Great gas mileage when that gas engine is off; 23 mpg when it's running on long trip.
So, it depends.
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