Supercharging prices at last

[FlatSix911]

I don't interpret it that way. Any tesla purchased WITH supercharging. CPO though are originally purchased with supercharging for the original owner. The CPO are NOT purchased with supercharging. So it is wholly possible they claim CPO was purchased without supercharging. So we will have to wait and see what other CPO purchaser will say after the cutoff date.

I read the Twitter post as if you do private sale or through a dealer then the free supercharging transfers which makes sense. But through the CPO program it is still up in the air.

That is a bit of stretch ...

 

[Testwa]

As supercharging is not included anymore I hope to see now a discount on all Teslas in the design studio. Some time ago you had to pay 2500$/2500€ for the lifetime supercharging if I remember correctly. Probably we will not see that much of a discount because it is a good chance to compensate for a price increase. Let's see.

 

[FlatSix911]

As supercharging is not included anymore I hope to see now a discount on all Teslas in the design studio. Some time ago you had to pay 2500$/2500€ for the lifetime supercharging if I remember correctly. Probably we will not see that much of a discount because it is a good chance to compensate for a price increase. Let's see.

Unlikely ... remember that part of the $2,500 cost was to pay for the HV/DC charger in the car

 

[geoffreak]

I don't interpret it that way. Any tesla purchased WITH supercharging. CPO though are originally purchased with supercharging for the original owner. The CPO are NOT purchased with supercharging. So it is wholly possible they claim CPO was purchased without supercharging. So we will have to wait and see what other CPO purchaser will say after the cutoff date.

I read the Twitter post as if you do private sale or through a dealer then the free supercharging transfers which makes sense. But through the CPO program it is still up in the air.

His first post can be interpreted that way. His other post however, cannot.

Just received positive confirmation that CPOs purchased after Dec 31 lose lifetime Supercharging. Private sales are grandfathered.

@Model3Owners not correct. CPO's carry lifetime Supercharging with the car.

@jonmcneill I asked CPO specialist to verify with corporate. Still said the same thing. Can we get a firm answer @elonmusk ?

@Model3Owners @elonmusk Firm answer: All Teslas purchased with Supercharging for life carry that benefit for the life of the car.

 

[bxr140]

Unlikely ... remember that part of the $2,500 cost was to pay for the HV/DC charger in the car

Not true. All S/X Teslas have the hardware to supercharge.

The $2000/2500 for the 60s was a software enable. 40s would have had to software enable up to 60kwh first.

 

[Az_Rael]

Not true. All S/X Teslas have the hardware to supercharge.

The $2000/2500 for the 60s was a software enable. 40s would have had to software enable up to 60kwh first.

We don't know how much of the cost was just for the supercharger network. They also charged $1500 to enable DC Fast charging without supercharger access on those 60s

 

[bxr140]

We don't know how much of the cost was just for the supercharger network. They also charged $1500 to enable DC Fast charging without supercharger access on those 60s

I was responding to a post that said part of that charge was for in-car hardware.

 

[TexasEV]

Not true. All S/X Teslas have the hardware to supercharge.

The $2000/2500 for the 60s was a software enable. 40s would have had to software enable up to 60kwh first.

Yes, true. The 60s did have the hardware, but Tesla only charged for it when it was activated, just as now all cars have autopilot hardware and Tesla charges to activate it. Elon said the $2000 option for supercharging activation on 60s was $1000 for the hardware and $1000 for the software.

 

[Az_Rael]

I was responding to a post that said part of that charge was for in-car hardware.

Right, and I was agreeing that part of the charge WAS for the hardware. Not to install it, but to pay for it. At least that's what Tesla claimed.

 

[bxr140]

Elon said the $2000 option for supercharging activation on 60s was $1000 for the hardware and $1000 for the software.

I suppose.

Semantics either way, but I can't think of any other situation where someone justified the cost of software enabling existing hardware in that manner. The cost of the hardware was explicitly paid for and written off by Tesla when they built the car.

To wit, I don't believe everything Elon says. I believe what he does.

 

[Falkirk]

I'm curious about two things related to this change:

1. if you don't setup a credit card online can you go the whole year without paying, then at the SvC you'll get a large bill if you used the SC quite a bit (I'm not counting on idle fees even)?

2. All cars now get 400 KWh per year so in a place that charges by the minute does it get converted to per min amount per year or does it track SC usage in KWh until zero then switch to per min billing?

Thanks

 

[TexasEV]

I'm curious about two things related to this change:

1. if you don't setup a credit card online can you go the whole year without paying, then at the SvC you'll get a large bill if you used the SC quite a bit (I'm not counting on idle fees even)?

2. All cars now get 400 KWh per year so in a place that charges by the minute does it get converted to per min amount per year or does it track SC usage in KWh until zero then switch to per min billing?

Thanks

1. No, because new owners will have to set up a credit card online. The thing about service center charging idle fees was for existing owners, and I suspect that's only until they start requiring us to have a credit card on file also.

2. Charging by the minute only happens when you're actually being sold electricity. The 400 kWh per year applies wherever, then after you use 400 kWh you're either charged by the kWh or minute depending on which state the supercharger is in.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

Yup, TexasEV is correct on point #2. In Texas, you cannot sell by the kWh if you're not a utility, but it's perfectly OK to give it away by the kWh.

Kinda like prostitution. It's illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away.

 

[timk225]

Kinda like prostitution. It's illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away.

LOL yes.


I will try to math it out, based on some assumptions. In PA, I will pay 10 cents / 20 cents. My home electricity rate is 7.7 cents per KW.

So if my 60 KW Model 3 gets 230 miles per charge, and I drive around 200 miles between charges, I'll split the difference and assume 15 cents per overall minute to charge. Assuming 60 minutes to get the battery nearly full, that is $9 to charge the car up. And if I get around 200 miles, that is 4.5 cents per mile.

$2.70 a gallon gas in my 16 mpg 2011 Challenger R/T is costing me 16.8 cents per mile. So my crude numbers place a Model 3 around 50 MPG, more or less.

 

[timk225]

The most expensive part of the charge cycle in the per-minute states is the 61-70 kW range. In that range you're paying tier 2 rates, but charging at nearly tier 1 rates. The per-kWh equivalent cost is almost equal to the tier 2 rate in that range, whereas in the 100-120 kW range and 50-60 kW range, the equivalent per-kWh cost is approximately the tier 1 rate.

This is something I never want to hear about again. Some people will piss and moan no matter what Tesla tries to do for them. No system will ever be perfect. If you can't afford it, go buy a Honda Civic or something.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

This is something I never want to hear about again. Some people will piss and moan no matter what Tesla tries to do for them. No system will ever be perfect. If you can't afford it, go buy a Honda Civic or something.

Ummm, the post wasn't a complaint. It was simply an explanation of the results of Tesla's per-minute billing rules. I explained it more thoroughly in the post above with the graphs.

 

[timk225]

I've been accused of being sort of a troll before.

No, I knew it wasn't a complaint from you, but I can predict this will be a common complaint for years to come. People will cry about charging at 61 KW and paying the high rate, but nobody will whine about charging at 59 KW for the lower price.

 

[SomeJoe7777]

No, I knew it wasn't a complaint from you, but I can predict this will be a common complaint for years to come. People will cry about charging at 61 KW and paying the high rate, but nobody will whine about charging at 59 KW for the lower price.

That goes without saying. These days it seems that people will whine and complain about anything, including if you hung them with a new rope.

 

[FlatSix911]

A cool new tool ... New Tesla Supercharger tool is best way to calculate and visualize cost of using the network

Ben Sullins, Tesla Model S owner and ‘Data Geek’ on Youtube, built a tool just for that and consequently, it’s also a great way to visualize the new cost structure. Here it’s embedded below and accessible on Tableau: Tableau Public

 

[Jack007]

Interesting that the price is listed for Nova Scotia, since there are no superchargers in that province. None are even planned on the 2017 future map.
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You must pay for the rest of us to charge