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What I'm saying is that I think that we're going to see a change. Based on the leak, we know there could be a thing called an "idle charge". How will they charge that if you don't have an account? Do lifetime Supercharger owners somehow get a pass on it? Maybe they do, but I doubt it. I think they'll make all of us have an account to pay for potential idling. By the fact that they require an account, it means they can track ownership very easily.
To facilitate this, 8.0 might have the functionality to check if a VIN has an account associated with it. Supercharging wouldn't proceed unless it did.
I want to reiterate that this is pure speculation, and none of it might be true, or some, or all. But probably none. I'm just trying to show how it could be "easily" done.
This is what I call a "therapist's eye view" of the world. The universal gold standard for private transportation is the ICE vehicle.I mentioned in another thread awhile back: Supercharging access isn't about fuel cost, it is about the greatly enhanced utility of the car in that it can take long road trips, unlike other EVs. That's a paradigm shift in EV utility and it has a value over and above the simple cost of the option or the cost per kWh.
Use of such chargers is at most a minor footnote in the great How and Where to Charge Your Tesla story. That story is really aboutWhen I look at paid chargers (L2 and even Chademo), a lot of them work out to be $0.50+ per kwh, so this marketing perception issue already exists.
Ok, you made me think how and where I charge my Tesla. In the more than 3 years of driving a Model S I charged at the SC twice, and at L2 chargers about 10 times. Out of those 10, 3 or 4 I paid approximately $0.50 per KWh (and one had to walk about 20mins in the rain too as the charger at the hotel I was staying was not available and I had to find another one). The rest of my charging happened daily at home, for at about $0.10 per KWh.Use of such chargers is at most a minor footnote in the great How and Where to Charge Your Tesla story. That story is really about home charging and SpCs.
Bottom line is this. If Tesla charges same rates as charging at home, almost everyone who can do math would never pay $2,000 for lifetime option. At $0.10, that's 20MWHr, or roughly 60,000 rated miles. For those who take a loan or lease, add to that interest on $2000, so the break even is at 61,000 SC miles or so? Now, if you charge at SC 10% of the time (which is more than me, but some do), you'll break even when the car reaches 610,000 miles. If you can afford a Tesla today, you're not keeping the car passed 610,000 miles, unless it is for sentimental reasons.
In the more than 3 years of driving a Model S I charged at the SC twice,
You've completely missed the point, probably because of this:
I charged twice at superchargers in the first week of owning my car, and almost every weekend since, as I travel a lot in my car (mostly to/from my cabin on weekends), and that's what superchargers are for. Superchargers are not to take place of home charging, or the cost of home charging!
I could drive to Florida from BC tomorrow for free! Well, I paid for it in the cost of my car, and I would have to buy food on the way. My family of 5 can go from BC to Las Vegas, Disneyland, the Grand Canyon, etc. -- all for free!* This is the where the attraction to superchargers lies -- free long distance travel. If you stay at home a lot, and don't travel by vehicle, then certainly it's not for you.
(*For long distance travel only - and technically not free since it was paid for with price of the vehicle. Food/beverages excluded.)
active for 10 years but even that would piss me off if I planned to own my car more than 10 years.
Doing something on the supercharger side would solve problems a loss of internet might cause.
First, are you serious? So when you buy a CPO it's the proverbial "cat in a bag"?
Yeah, it stinks. Tesla does list some options that are on the car, but not all. Things folks may want like power folding mirrors or parking sensors are a bit of a gamble. That's why Hank set up that great service EV-CPO so those of us shopping can get a better guess at what we might be buying.
I do think they will strip the lifetime supercharging from all the CPOs for sale when this comes out. Why not - it is more money in their pockets.
My guess as well, but I see it more being in line with a new "lifetime per owner" policy. The one that I'm probably wrong about.I do think they will strip the lifetime supercharging from all the CPOs for sale when this comes out. Why not - it is more money in their pockets.
Note I was talking about the story, not the reality. I'm talking about Tesla's image and marketing, not the actual experience of owners.Ok, you made me think how and where I charge my Tesla. In the more than 3 years of driving a Model S I charged at the SC twice, and at L2 chargers about 10 times. Out of those 10, 3 or 4 I paid approximately $0.50 per KWh (and one had to walk about 20mins in the rain too as the charger at the hotel I was staying was not available and I had to find another one). The rest of my charging happened daily at home, for at about $0.10 per KWh.
My guess as well, but I see it more being in line with a new "lifetime per owner" policy. The one that I'm probably wrong about.
Not fair to whom? If it's the global policy, resale values shouldn't be affected (since comparable cars have the same rule set). If a buyer paid for supercharger access outright and knew the policy, then their expectation was that they'd own the car more than 6 months. That's a buyer issue, not a fairness issue.Cars are often sold after e.g. 6 months of ownership and losing a paid supercharger access at that point is not fair.
Not fair to whom? If it's the global policy, resale values shouldn't be affected (since comparable cars have the same rule set). If a buyer paid for supercharger access outright and knew the policy, then their expectation was that they'd own the car more than 6 months. That's a buyer issue, not a fairness issue.