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Tesla Autopilot maps
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It’s not there database to update it’s Tom tom’s, so I bet there is a process to update them, that takes far to long and entirely to much validation so that it’s clearly outdated information before it gets released.
Amazing, sir. So the branches are called dev, live, stage.
If I look at stage, there's a veeeeery curious map tile name:
na20180212_localizer_optimal: 2018-02-12 15:12
It's newer than those December-ish live tiles we saw, and "localizer_optimal" sounds interesting too
EDIT: Paging @DamianXVI , @verygreen , @BigD0g ….. My local map tiles went from 500KB each to around 1000KB each, in the "stage" subdirectory. I'm gonna try the app tonight to see if we can view them, but just in case some tools need to be updated for this format, or if you can figure out how to take these tiles out for a spin…
This is a better question for @DamianXVI I hope he's still around, he's a wonder worker with the maps!
No, they use maps for localization not for driving, there is a difference. Once, they start to use the maps for actual driving there will be another evolutionary leap in AP IMHO, but not today.
Yup. I've put in update requests, including geotagged photos of the signs. According to the page I found "including a geotagged photo will get quicker response". It was at least 9 months ago. Still wrong on their app as well too.
Wow. Fill me in, what do you mean Tesla is using the maps for localization?
Do you mean Tesla is using the GPS to localize and then using that to extract info from the map?
Or are you implying, Tesla has localization assets in the HD map, that AP2+ cameras recognize to locate themselves?
Also, I am out of date. Are you saying Tesla uses map data to slow down for sharp curves? I did not know this.
Also, I completely agree there will be a major jump in AP performance once the maps are being used.
Amazing, sir. So the branches are called dev, live, stage.
If I look at stage, there's a veeeeery curious map tile name:
na20180212_localizer_optimal: 2018-02-12 15:12
It's newer than those December-ish live tiles we saw, and "localizer_optimal" sounds interesting too
EDIT: Paging @DamianXVI , @verygreen , @BigD0g ….. My local map tiles went from 500KB each to around 1000KB each, in the "stage" subdirectory. I'm gonna try the app tonight to see if we can view them, but just in case some tools need to be updated for this format, or if you can figure out how to take these tiles out for a spin…
Wait? where do you see the branch names?
And where do you see that localizer_optimal? where do you see that?
that is very intriguing.
As examples:
curl -k https://daws.tesla.services/iiNG2d6xFR1USl/live/your_geohash.tile | strings | tail -n 1
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 925k 100 925k 0 0 6805k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 6854k
na20170502: 2017-06-30 10:05
curl -k https://daws.tesla.services/iiNG2d6xFR1USl/stage/your_geohash.tile | strings | tail -n 1
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 1022k 100 1022k 0 0 4475k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 4482k
na20180212_localizer_optimal: 2018-02-12 15:12
Thank you!
Hmm, only speculation here.
But my guess is that the localizer_optimal, is flagging that tile, or the data / assets in that tile. As high reliability / or optimal... which would tell AP that it can place high confidence or higher weights in the data in that tile. .
or high confidence atleast in regards to localization. since it says localizar_opimtimal
I think it's the name of the "branch" that the maps came out of. I don't know whether it means that it's used for localization or some fancy localizer was what was used to generate the map tiles themselves….
At any rate, if you dig for posts by DamianXVI, you'll find a .NET app for opening these tile files. Using that, you can explore all the fields in these tiles as well as the road segments (splines). It's quite fascinating to see.
In general, I'm not seeing a dramatic change in the Feb tiles compared to the live tiles. The "trust" field is bumped up for just about every major road, and the confidence percentages are also dramatically higher.
robertvg
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The newer files with the 'na20180212_localizer_optimal' tag seem to open fine with the app created by Damian.
At a first glance I also do not see many differences compared with the previous versions.
Maybe Damian has an idea about the increase in file size.
At a first glance I also do not see many differences compared with the previous versions.
Maybe Damian has an idea about the increase in file size.
Ah, yea I recall that app people were using.
But haven't downloaded it yet. but I did not know there is a "trust" field. thanks for sharing.
is there a "trust" field and a "confidence percentages" filed.. two separate field?
Yeah, there is one field with what looks like a confidence percentage, and another field with just numbers (0/1/2) separate from the restricted road vs non-restricted road (e.g. the 5mph over PSL limit) field. This one was only at 0 and 1 in the current live maps, but even as early as last December, we started seeing the value 2 mark major roads and highways especially around California. The theory is that this somehow either ties into level 3 driving or a reduced nag interval.
scottf200
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bebbiXpress
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scottf200
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We should have used a secret handshake ... or they are monitoring traffic (location, occurrences).
I think we'd be naive to think Tesla isn't reading this thread right now. And probably taking a look at what IP's are combing through the staging area.
akraut
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I'm sure they know what IPs should be coming from the LTE/3G in the car. If it was me, I'd feed some super old data to any IPs that weren't coming from the car's connection.
Well you can be tethering over wifi while driving. ADAS tile fetches do go over there when you do so.
But arguably none of us are fetching in the same pattern as the car, or using the right user agent. It should be trivially obvious who's simply scraping it.
They really don't seem to have a reason why they wouldn't lock everything down behind the car's SSL cert, like they do with the dev environment and now the two staging ones.
akraut
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True, but I think only a VPN tunnel goes over wifi. At least from the traffic I've captured...
But I'd serve nonsense to people who didn't need it just to be a turd anyway.
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