From the spec:
Yes, there is only one Plug&Charge standard, and Tesla does not currently support it. (There are two versions of it, but that doesn't really matter.)
EVgo hasn't implemented Plug&Charge, they have done their own thing which most call AutoCharge. It uses the MAC address from the CCS charge port ECU in the vehicle to identify the vehicle, which you have to link to your account in advance. But not every vehicle has a unique MAC address, for example Rivian is using the same MAC address for every vehicle, so EVgo can't support AutoCharge for Rivian, or other similar, vehicles. (This is not a standard. But I think at least one other CPO, in Europe, has done essentially the same thing as EVgo.)
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So what was Elon talking about when he said they would open the Tesla API for Ford? Are they just going to use ISO-15118 for all 3P NACS P&C?
That is to use Tesla's Superchargers. Availability, charge cost, enabling, ...
The Supercharger network does not currently use/support Plug&Charge. Ford and Tesla are likely doing something on their own, or maybe using OCPI, to allow the Ford apps to start/pay for charging.
The charge network provider. If you have accounts with multiple CPOs you have to be able to configure your vehicle to identify which CPO to use for Plug&Charge. (Well really even if you only have one account with a single CPO, you still have to configure your vehicle to use it.)
No. You configure your car to use the CPO provider you want to handle Plug&Charge, assuming you can select anything but the manufacturer's app, and then that network is used to start and pay for all Plug&Charge sessions.
That is exactly how it works. But you pay the rate that your Plug&Charge provider has negotiated with the charger you are using. Which could be more or less than the network charges on its own, or with a subscription. (For example, if you use the FordPass app to pay at EA you pay their normal rate, you can't subscribe to the EA monthly membership, that is $4/month, to get the lower rate. So why would anyone want to use Plug&Charge with the FordApp? Sure, it is convenient but you end up paying significantly more.)
Yep. Though you may end up paying multiple monthly subscriptions. All-in-all I think this is way more worked out in Europe where there are more CPOs. Here things are just a year or two behind.
Some CPOs do support using ApplePay. (For example, I think CircleK does.) Though again, you likely pay their most expensive "rack rate", and can't subscribe to their discounted plans.
The trouble with the current state of affairs, as I understand it, is that NACS is currently completely open, meaning that nobody can steer it. It either remains static (but with portions perhaps open to interpretation) or different parties may see fit to adapt it in their own ways. That can be pretty chaotic. With true standards, there's a standards document (which may be open to interpretation, which in turn can cause problems) and an organization that can steer it (to correct for conflicts caused by differing interpretations, adapt to changes, expand it as necessary, etc.). As I understand it, Tesla is the closest that exists to that steering organization, but they are sort-of kind-of eschewing that role. All this may be OK in the short term, but in the long term, we could end up with problems like charging handles from Manufacturer A not working correctly with Automaker X because the two didn't test against each other, and some little doohicky gets in the way, or some component was specified with inadequate precision and the two implementations don't match.
At least one standards body, CharIN, has already given a hard pass on involvement with NACS. That said, it's occurred to me that Ford coming on-board with NACS might help make it a formal standard; I'm not an expert, but I imagine that Ford carries weight with organizations like the SAE, for instance. The sooner NACS is adopted as a standard, the better, especially if more automakers sign on.
This is speculative, but I interpreted it to mean that Tesla is opening (or perhaps even creating a fresh) API so that Ford's computers can talk to Tesla's computers to coordinate the transfer of charging data, including both what cars charge where (so that Tesla can bill Ford for the electricity and so that Ford can then bill its own customers) and to provide Ford real-time data on Supercharger availability (so that Ford's in-dash navigation system call tell drivers that Supercharger ABC has 5 open stalls of 8 total, much as Teslas do). If this is done right, it'll be pretty transparent to users. With any luck, there'll be support for something akin to Plug & Charge or Autocharge so that Ford owners will be able to plug in and walk away without fumbling with an app, just as Tesla owners can; but I haven't seen anything official confirming that this will be the case. I have seen claims that Ford owners won't need a Tesla app to use Superchargers under this program; in fact, Farley said in an interview that this was a deal-breaker condition for Ford. AFAIK, they haven't gotten very deep into the technical details of how any of this will be accomplished.
If Tesla were to ban Ford, the impact would be an increased need to purchase a CCS to NACS adapter (assuming a 2025 or later car).
It's not just that. Yes, they could still charge, though with the annoyance of having to use an adapter, and it is annoying because the way NACS locks in the car so you have to go into your app or screen to release the adapter.
I thought Ford, or at least their CEO, said that every NACS vehicle they sell would come with the CCS to NACS adapter. So they shouldn't have to buy anything.
I think it's the other way around, NACS (Supercharger) to CCS (current Ford socket).
Sure, but then you are comparing Ford to any other non-Tesla OEM as opposed to Ford before SpC agreement to Ford after agreement falls apart.
I reviewed the video and he just said that "we will have adapters for that", I thought he said they would be included, but I guess not.
Cool, I'm guessing once the SpC->CCS are delivered, Ford will transition all their charge points to NACS. So, by the time the '25s come out, there is no need for an adapter within the Ford-Tesla ecosystem (beyond people with CCS home charging equipment). Of course, having one could be handy, but sort of optional.
