Tesla cuts 60kWh Model S, entry-level Model S is now 70D.

[Red Sage]

I'm not too surprised... Ever since the Model X went to dual motors standard, I suspected the same might become true on Model S. I have theorized for some time that the Model S 60 would go away prior to the release of Model ≡, which I believe will debut with at least a 60 kWh capacity. And after the stupendous improvements in performance, safety, and range since the Tesla 'D' Event, I've noted there is a chance that like AUDI and Subaru, Tesla Motors might some day become synonymous with performance AWD. There is still the outside chance that as a competitor to BMW 3-Series, and with concerns toward affordability, the Model ≡ may be offered, at least in base trim, as RWD... But I'd not be surprised if dual motor AWD became standard issue for every Tesla product going forward. Oh, and I also predicted that Supercharger access would be standard on all Tesla vehicles once the Model S 60 was gone -- and now it is. Doncha just love it when a plan comes together?

;-)

 

[qwk]

But if you fill the rest of a 60kWh battery you will get a 85kWh battery .... not a 70kWh

No. 85's have 16 modules, 60's have 14.

 

[TexasEV]

Whaaaat???

Introducing the All-Wheel Drive Model S 70D | Tesla Motors

Doesn't anyone look at posts from the past few hours before starting a new thread?

 

[dsm363]

I'm not too surprised... Ever since the Model X went to dual motors standard, I suspected the same might become true on Model S. I have theorized for some time that the Model S 60 would go away prior to the release of Model ≡, which I believe will debut with at least a 60 kWh capacity. And after the stupendous improvements in performance, safety, and range since the Tesla 'D' Event, I've noted there is a chance that like AUDI and Subaru, Tesla Motors might some day become synonymous with performance AWD. There is still the outside chance that as a competitor to BMW 3-Series, and with concerns toward affordability, the Model ≡ may be offered, at least in base trim, as RWD... But I'd not be surprised if dual motor AWD became standard issue for every Tesla product going forward. Oh, and I also predicted that Supercharger access would be standard on all Tesla vehicles once the Model S 60 was gone -- and now it is. Doncha just love it when a plan comes together?

;-)

Why is the Model 3 written as Model ≡ and the 3-Series written with a 3 instead of a ≡?

Either way exciting move by Tesla.

 

[mdevp]

Anyone know how the obsidian black differs in look to the regular black? Is it a blacker black w/metallic flake?

 

[Kevin Harney]

No. 85's have 16 modules, 60's have 14.

Yes I knew that but some are suggesting that the new 70kWh battery is simply filling the empty space in the 85 (presumably the space of the 2 missing modules)

 

[CarlK]

But I'd not be surprised if dual motor AWD became standard issue for every Tesla product going forward.

;-)

You are right. There is so much advantage of AWD on EV than on ICE in simplicity of implementation and easiness of performance and efficiency tuning Tesla might as well take full advantage of it.

 

[Red Sage]

dsm363: As I've explained to you already, it is to distinguish between the beloved Tesla Motors products, and the hated BMW lineup (or the oft-ignored Mazda and AUDI vehicles).
;-)

 

[AnOutsider]

Yes I knew that but some are suggesting that the new 70kWh battery is simply filling the empty space in the 85 (presumably the space of the 2 missing modules)

Well, it doesn't have to be filled to the brim... I can still take a measuring cup with 1/2 cup of water in it and fill some of the empty space to get a 3/4 cup of water...

 

[Paul Carter]

My biggest complaint about the revised Design Studio page is that the most prominently featured price by default is "After incentives & gas savings". That is deceptive. Of course an EV provides "gas savings" but buyers want to know the cash price of the vehicle they are considering. It's only shown at the bottom of the pricing box on the right, far below the most prominently featured price in that box. And the prices shown in the three boxes outlining the features of the three different variations are also the "After incentives & gas savings" prices.

That really irks me. I thought Tesla had moved past that sort of deceptive promotion.

Pricing like this boils my blood.

 

[fluxemag]

All of these price increases probably propped up the resale value on my 40, assuming the buyer wants all show and no go (relatively speaking).

 

[Kevin Harney]

Well, it doesn't have to be filled to the brim... I can still take a measuring cup with 1/2 cup of water in it and fill some of the empty space to get a 3/4 cup of water...

Yes but wouldn't it further simplfy production to just make them all 85s ? So you are saying they just added 1 of the 2 missing modules ?

 

[Red Sage]

You are right. There is so much advantage of AWD on EV than on ICE in simplicity of implementation and easiness of performance and efficiency tuning Tesla might as well take full advantage of it.

Thanks. The only real casualty: The FRUNK. Unless Tesla Motors decides to build cars with the profile of Lincoln, Cadillac, Chrysler, Mercedes-Benz , and Rolls-Royce limousines of lore...

 

[Kevin Harney]

Thanks. The only real casualty: The FRUNK. Unless Tesla Motors decides to build cars with the profile of Lincoln, Cadillac, Chrysler, Mercedes-Benz , and Rolls-Royce limousines of lore...

But the amount of space in the Frunk that is lost is minimal as I understand it. Maybe a cubic foot or so ....

 

[JST]

Thanks. The only real casualty: The FRUNK. Unless Tesla Motors decides to build cars with the profile of Lincoln, Cadillac, Chrysler, Mercedes-Benz , and Rolls-Royce limousines of lore...

For me, that's a pretty big casualty. When I bought my car, one of its key attractions was that I could carry 7 people + a stroller in the frunk--that's why I could justify it over a big 3 row SUV.

I'm not saying I wouldn't buy an AWD Tesla, but it's a harder sell in my mind if you take away one of the platform's key advantages, which is spectacular space efficiency. With a motor in the front and a motor in the back, the Tesla doesn't offer that much more space than a "traditional" AWD ICE vehicle.

 

[siucity]

Thanks. The only real casualty: The FRUNK. Unless Tesla Motors decides to build cars with the profile of Lincoln, Cadillac, Chrysler, Mercedes-Benz , and Rolls-Royce limousines of lore...

I'm curious how many people actually use the frunk? I've yet to use it, although I've only had my P85D for 2 weeks.

 

[JST]

But the amount of space in the Frunk that is lost is minimal as I understand it. Maybe a cubic foot or so ....

It's more than that. I can put a Bugaboo Bee in my frunk. Or a spare tire. There's no chance of either in an AWD frunk.

 

[Kevin Harney]

It's more than that. I can put a Bugaboo Bee in my frunk. Or a spare tire. There's no chance of either in an AWD frunk.

OK possible but as I understand it the motor only takes up part of the microwave space in the back. Am I wrong here ?

 

[darthy001]

But the amount of space in the Frunk that is lost is minimal as I understand it. Maybe a cubic foot or so ....

New frunk is very small when compared to the RWD cars. Almost useless now.

 

[Rifleman]

I use my frunk maybee once a month, but when you need it, it is really nice to have. for those with the 3rd row seats, the frunk is likely used almost every time the seats are used.