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Sunflower is the Yoko Ono of the forums I'm thinking.????
When Elon talks about "price drop of battery to $100 per kilowatt hour", does it apply to Tesla EVs only or does it apply to all EVs in general? I'm thinking it probably refers to the former since batteries produced in GF is only meant for Tesla vehicles.
This also means that other car manufacturer's company would have to figure out other ways to bring their EV costing down since the batteries they produced will not be as cheap as Tesla (I think GF don't sell their batteries to other car companies for use).
If my question already popped up in this thread, I apologize... But I was wondering to what extent Tesla is willing to deliver batteries to other car brands. I'm asking this because other brands are contemplating setting up their own battery plants.... I'd say: rather go for economy of scale than car brands making each others life needlessly tough.
Jaguar Land Rover, Ford & BMW could open shared electric vehicle battery plant | Autocar
Every cell that cannot be sold in a Tesla Car, Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla PowerWall nor Tesla PowerPack, will be sold in a nonTesla product.But I was wondering to what extent Tesla is willing to deliver batteries to other car brands.
Don't miss the Star Hotel; the best Basque restaurant just about anywhere.I'm in Elko on my way to the Gigafactory Event, my First, of 200! as a +1 of a dear friend.
I'll check it out, however I'm at Dos Amigos with Live Mexically Blues!Don't miss the Star Hotel; the best Basque restaurant just about anywhere.
Robin
Sorry, I have to resist the urge to throw up when I read that anything written by Hawkins is "state of the art" since he is the author of:
Hawkins, T. R., Singh, B., Majeau-Bettez, G. and Strømman, A. H. (2013), Comparative Environmental Life Cycle Assessment of Conventional and Electric Vehicles. Journal of Industrial Ecology, 17: 53–64. doi: 10.1111/j.1530-9290.2012.00532.x
That paper can be best described as a hit piece with such huge errors that either he is incompetent or he's an industry shill. He did publish a corrigendum that corrected the most egregious error, but that doesn't even come close to fixing all the problems.
(2013), Corrigendum to: Hawkins, T. R., B. Singh, G. Majeau-Bettez, and A. H. Strømman. 2012. Comparative environmental life cycle assessment of conventional and electric vehicles. Journal of Industrial Ecology DOI: 10.1111/j.1530-9290.2012.00532.x. Journal of Industrial Ecology, 17: 158–160. doi: 10.1111/jiec.12011His paper was used by a slew of anti-EV advocates to attack the electric vehicle movement and Tesla in particular.
Note these parts from his paper:
"Although this study incorporates the cradle-to-gate portion of the battery inventories by Majeau-Bettez and colleagues (2011)..."
"The cradle-to-gate battery production impacts estimated by Majeau-Bettez and colleagues (2011) (22 kg CO2-eq/kg) are substantially higher than the estimates by Notter and colleagues (2010) (6 kg CO2-eq/kg) or Samaras and Meisterling (2008) (9.6 kg CO2-eq/kg). These differences, which mostly stem from differing assumptions concerning manufacturing energy requirements and system boundaries, are indicative of the need for better public primary inventory data from the battery industry. "
So, yes, of course Hawkins used the "substantially higher" Majeau-Bettez battery production estimates and ignores the others. He didn't even use the average of the 3 which would be almost half of his estimate.
At first glance, the chart that Fallenone posted from his meta-analysis paper does seem more in-line with reality, but since his meta-anaylsis includes his own and Majeau-Bettez research, it's still wrong. Very wrong. And he certainly didn't bother to correct the misconceptions of people that used his research to apply to Tesla. If he was truly competent, he would quickly draw the distinctions between his analysis and the very different Tesla/Panasonic production. He didn't and allowed a slew of hit pieces to misapply his research in in a very public way.
Very well done a thorough video, exciting times ahead!I found a YouTube clip from I think a TMCer that allowed me to live vicariously through those lucky people who were able to go to the live event.
Maybe they did...for Model 3.