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I’m fairly certain the additional driver attentiveness changes in the NHTSA recall update aren’t really focused on FSD and are largely for standard Autopilot use.I was beginning to enjoy my trial FSD, especially on the highway.
Maybe the price will be reduced to reflect the reduced applicability to limited access highways.
A simple improvement would be for the call to trigger the new 911 crash response feature if the car has to stop due to a disengagement. If all is well, the driver can cancel the call before the timeout. If not, then help would be dispatched.Disengaging and pulling over is what they'd call a "minimum-risk maneuver" in self-driving terminology and is something that needs to be built in for systems actually taking liability for the DDT -- not necessarily for an incapacitated driver but in the event that a sensor is damaged or an electrical fault or any number of problems that can occur and for which redundancies need to exist.
For example if you hit a deer in a self-driving car that has no steering wheel or pedals and it takes out cameras or other components, what does the car do? It would need to be able to pull over as safely as possible, throw on the hazards, etc.
They've definitely talked about systems like this monitoring driver health too and contacting local emergency services in the event of a medical emergency or accident, kinda like OnStar.
Also discussions about mandating driver intoxication detection
The recall does not affect FSD. It brings AP driver monitoring up to the FSD level.I was beginning to enjoy my trial FSD, especially on the highway.
Maybe the price will be reduced to reflect the reduced applicability to limited access highways.
Doesn’t it limit use of FSD to limited access highways?The recall does not affect FSD. It brings AP driver monitoring up to the FSD level.
Oh yeah, the current HW is far from ready for primetime. I do appreciate the foresight of Tesla leaving space for computer upgrades but the camera position is almost certainly not up for it (note how terrible it is at sensing rain on the windsheild, the cameras being blinded by the winter sun, back up camera being covered by rain, etc). This isn't to mention the inherent limits of small digital cameras (CMOS jello effect, low light wash out, dynamic range of single frame video, CMOS sun blindness, etc.) and the complete lack of time-of-flight sensors (why are we limiting the car to only what humans can do? Isn't the whole point to do better than humans...). These are just some of the hardware related challenges that Tesla faces with regard to true robotaxis.Exactly, and a hypothetical Level 5 car without a steering wheel or pedals — like the one Elon has been talking about making at Giga a Mexico (yes that was a recent claim) — wouldn’t even have driver inputs.
One of the reasons I think it’ll never happen with cameras alone, or at least not the current camera suite
I suspect you are referring to basic Autosteer. I have seen nothing to indicate this. I've seen at least one youtube video demonstrating the attention monitoring functions of basic AP on city streets.Doesn’t it limit use of FSD to limited access highways?
This choo-choo plane seems to have that capability?But there is nothing out there with some monitor that automatically takes over for a stupid or incapacitated pilot.
I've noticed that almost like clockwork over eight months of ownership, I tend to receive updates after ~15% of the fleet gets them according to NotATeslaApp/TeslaFi for my '23 MY w/HW3 with software update preference set to advanced. As of this post, 2% of the fleet has 2023.44.30.1. Maybe this update will roll out more quickly since it contains a recall - we'll see.I've always wondered if there was a method to the release order of software updates. Like last night I was one of the first (and I really don't use AP all that often these days). Sometimes it takes a week or more. I know there are few tricks for forcing the car to recheck. But that doesn't seem to work consistantly.
I think it may be truly random (at least from our POV). Or since I have HW3 but no interior camera, the code was ready first
Are we convinced that 2023.44.30.1 contains the recall for all cars?I've noticed that almost like clockwork over eight months of ownership, I tend to receive updates after ~15% of the fleet gets them according to NotATeslaApp/TeslaFi for my '23 MY w/HW3 with software update preference set to advanced. As of this post, 2% of the fleet has 2023.44.30.1. Maybe this update will roll out more quickly since it contains a recall - we'll see.
It still requires someone to press a button; there's no in-cabin camera or anything monitoring the pilot. On this aircraft the button is apparently located top center in the cabin, where anyone can reach it.This choo-choo plane seems to have that capability?
Another issue is it's not the older cars with AP1 (which is superior anyway) that have problems, but we're gonna be faced with the same BS as y'all because the NHTSA says so f that.
Why is Tesla getting a "recall" and not all the other cars that have AP2.0+ driving features‽
Oh yeah, the current HW is far from ready for primetime. I do appreciate the foresight of Tesla leaving space for computer upgrades but the camera position is almost certainly not up for it (note how terrible it is at sensing rain on the windsheild, the cameras being blinded by the winter sun, back up camera being covered by rain, etc). This isn't to mention the inherent limits of small digital cameras (CMOS jello effect, low light wash out, dynamic range of single frame video, CMOS sun blindness, etc.) and the complete lack of time-of-flight sensors (why are we limiting the car to only what humans can do? Isn't the whole point to do better than humans...). These are just some of the hardware related challenges that Tesla faces with regard to true robotaxis.
Also, what is Tesla doing with all these Model 3 leasse turn ins from 2019/2020? You know, cause they wouldn't let owners buy out leases since by 2023 Tesla would use them as robotaxis. They have to be piling up somewhere...
Airplanes have "flown themselves" for a long time because autopilots are generally glorified cruise controls. There's no intelligence or automatic decision making. They fly courses, altitudes, and speeds programmed by the pilot(s). It's a very manual process. You don't just hit "fly me there" like with FSD and you don't just dial in a destination like in a car GPS.Aircraft can be made to fly themselves because there are vastly fewer edge conditions
The vast majority of airports in the US do not have "people on the ground watching everything". At these smaller airports the pilots handle it themselves using eyes and radio, just like drivers at a roundabout. And many people flying those little airplanes VFR never file flight plans no matter where they're going.and where most of the edge conditions exist (around airports), there are people on the ground watching everything. People do fly without filing a flight plan, but almost all aircraft flying any distance do file one
"trip odometer" is what I was talking about. I apologize for using the word odometer as a nickname for trip odometer. I will try to be more precise in the future.Am I missing something here? I think you're referring to Trips and not odometer. You can't reset an odometer. If you bring up the menu and choose Trips, is that what you're referring to?