Perhaps they shouldn't remove USS before implementing the features "with parity" using TeslaVision? I mean, what if TeslaVision doesn't work as well? What are they going to do then? Retrofit thousands of cars? Ha! All seems a bit cart before the horse.
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Tesla replacing ultrasonic sensors with Tesla Vision
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It doesn't matter what it is, it's not magic or has any common sense. Probably it learns to rely heavily on seeing the objects rooted on the ground plane/roadway to make 3D estimates because the whole training set is roadways. And if objects are partially occluded or partly out of frame, and also totally novel looking, you're going to get bad predictions.
See my post above about parking outside close to a bollard. I'll need a SKYHOOK to mount a tennis ball.I guess I'm going to need to hang a tennis ball in my garage so I can park my upcoming Model Y.
Or simply more bits to eliminate, no sensors = no wiring loom to them, and nobody needs to plug them in on the assembly line.
Is it better for the users, or better for the bottom line. Guess we find out in a few months.
I think removing USS isn't such a big deal because it's only used for summon and autopark, and those features already have poor performance and huge blind spots because of the limitations of USS. I think it would be hard for vision to be worse than USS. If they retrofit anything it should be more/better cameras, not bring back ultrasonics.
I'm going to take bets though that vision-based summon has new limitations, like it loses the "tight clearance" setting that lets you go down to just a few inches of clearance.
You are leaving out the MOST important deal that is BIG. Manual parking.
E90alex
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I would say it’s used pretty frequently in daily driving and parking situations just like any other car with parking sensors.
Cheburashka
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Good luck to the new owners who aren't even going to get park assist with their new cars. I would not be happy paying current market prices and not getting something that's available on basic cars.
bsf29
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Just like radar, they can't figure out how to get it to work with the cameras so they are dropping it. Tesla is missing the biggest advantage of these sensors of detecting moving traffic when the car is parked. Backing out is very dangerous and Tesla needs to detect when an object is approaching. The camera's can't detect the side to side traffic especially when the car is between 2 larger vehicles. There are very few drivers in a parking lot that will stop to let someone back out. My daughter was "at fault" because she was 50% out of her parking spot and the other driver still tried to go around and my daughter wasn't able to stop in time.
The sensors they're deleting wouldn't help with that scenario, USS is extremely short-range and only really works for static objects. Traditionally cars have extra corner radar sensors for cross-traffic alerts but Tesla has never installed anything like that. They could probably implement some cross-traffic alert feature using the existing cameras, but more or better cameras would be best.
Tam
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To solve the sonar blind spot problem, Tesla should install more sonars instead of taking them away.
The summon below got the car halfway out and collided with the garage door frame on the left.
There are only 2 side sonars on the left side. The front left sonar is located on the side of the front bumper, and it sees lots of clearance because it is already out of the garage. Same with the rear left sonar located at the left rear bumper seeing lots of clearance all the way to the left wall of the garage because it is not at the garage door frame just yet.
The problem here is there are no sonars between the front and the rear bumpers to sense that there's a garage door frame at the left side doors of the car.
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RobDickinson
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mtndrew1
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Yeah but it’s not like customers have to pay $15,000 for the privilege of parallel parking their own cars or anything.
Cheburashka
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I can guarantee you that most people don't use auto parking and park manually, for which the sonars are extremely important.
For example, I know that I need to park my car 18-20" from the wall in order for the garage door to close. The sonar tells me this.
RobDickinson
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So wait and see what the result of this change is, theres no reason it cant display the same or better info
"Short period of time during transition"....like Tesla Vision's lack of 90mph and follow distance 1 options were supposed to only be temporarily unavailable?
45thParallel
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This can work, if Tesla gives access to front facing side cameras on the monitor. Right now, all 3 front facing camera video stream is only used for Tesla vision. A better solution is to use off the market a solar powered Autvox front license plate camera.
Tam
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Yes. It needs more cameras to cover the blind spots. Getting rid of sonars doesn't eliminate the current camera's blind spots.
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