Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[dl003]

It's Inclusion Monday and TSLA is showing tremendous strength, even under macro pressure. Knightshade and Best TSLA are still fighting. Life is good. I just bought a DITM LEAP call out of FOMO. Merry Christmas y'all.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

It's Inclusion Monday and TSLA is showing tremendous strength, even under macro pressure. Knightshade and Best TSLA are still fighting. Life is good. I just bought a DITM LEAP call out of FOMO. Merry Christmas y'all.

Yeah, I guess that needs to be my attitude. Lol! Just enjoy the ridiculous banter.

My Jan15 $500 are UP 4% today, so that's better than down

 

[Causalien]

Do these options prices look ridiculous? I was looking to buy a put, but geez. I put in an order to sell one. Am I crazy? This has to be cut in half in 6mo to lose money. Am I right on that? I know OT, but the QS thread is a bit slow.
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An option skew like that means money. There are option strategies for this where you cannot lose money.

Tesla had a period like this as well and it taught some ppl some hard lessons.

 

[SOULPEDL]

Hopefully this is implemented via simple mandates and simple regulation rather than actual gov't owned infrastructure.

My respect for Gov't isn't so great lately, so I'm with you there. Let Capitalism run this naturally.

We could make a field charger vehicle, go where nobody has power and charge 99 cents/kWh. Ship it there if needed. See you at the next mobile charging stop? (Also sells beef jerky... it's an Az thing.) The Tribe could make out here too (EV charging while shopping for local jewelry). Very remote land but along key routes. Next US Interior Secretary will be Native American. (I'm not native myself, just surrounded by casinos in all directions - good for concerts is all IMO).

 

[wtlloyd]

The interminable bickering over semantics here is getting dull.
Here's something old made new, let's argue about this:
Sketchy Report Says Apple Car is Years Ahead of Schedule, Will Debut Next Year

Since most won't bother reading that link once they see it's MacRumors, let me quote an excerpt from the Taiwan electronics trade newspaper that is linked in the article:

"The industry pointed out that in addition to the electric car leader Tesla, a new fever term "American Double A" has recently appeared in the domestic electric car supply chain, and it is actively placing orders with Taiwanese manufacturers.

Although the supply chain vendors have signed confidentiality agreements and are unwilling to disclose details, the insiders of the industry admit that the "U.S. Double A" refers to the two manufacturers of Apple and Amazon. The industry nicknames "one big A, one little A"."

 

[Tslynk67]

I think it depends on who your broker is. Webull allows trading from 4:00 ET. If you have an IBKR PRO account you can start trading at 4:00 ET. It is not limited in that sense.

Yeah, I see these other brokers offer a lot of things that mine don't, but I kind of like mine as it's a real bank and they have physical offices about 3 kilometres from where I live, which gives me some kind of comfort factor that I like.

 

[2daMoon]

The interminable bickering over semantics here is getting dull.
Here's something old made new, let's argue about this:
Sketchy Report Says Apple Car is Years Ahead of Schedule, Will Debut Next Year

Somehow I am left imagining how the most important spec for Apple users / iFolks considering this car will be the pixel count of the built-in selfie camera.

 

[Knightshade]

No, you're twisting his meaning.

No, you're doing so by ignoring the second half the sentence.

If it's "less than 2 years away" it's not here yet.

By definition.

You wrote a bunch more after that- but I'm not sure why.

I’ve lost count how many different posters you’ve said those words - misunderstanding me/making up stuff I didn’t say - to, but now I think I’ll start keeping better records.

I suspect those "better records" will find it's really just the same quite small handful of people who keep "misunderstanding"

Almost as if it's intentional or something


Still- I look forward to your results!

It would need to be involuntary of course, that was the point of my post.
Short covering from folks betting on a post-inclusion drop to $550?
Covering from MM's pushing down SP last Thurs/Fri? Certainly we've seen that happen on our fair share of Monday/Tuesdays.
Do ALL index funds really have ALL their shares? Certainly there are funds with -/+3 and -/+7 day mandates, there is a plus sign there.

Today's price/volume action feels very wait-and-see. I just saying the inclusion cigar might have 1 or 2 good puffs left in it.

Certainly possible- though I suspect the # of folks who front-ran and didn't get what they wanted and want to get out now will at least somewhat offset the folks who shorted expecting a bigger dip than we got who also need to get out now.

Plus there's still the chance of an Xmas software update that will have some stock-moving surprise in it- though I rate that a fairly low (though non zero) chance.

 

[Off Shore]

There are not enough outstanding shares authorized to effect anything more than a 2:1 split. A shareholder vote would be required to increase the number of shares enough to effect a 3:1 split. I'm not mentioning this because I think shareholders might not approve it but simply because it takes time to effect a shareholder vote.

In other words, it couldn't be a surprise announcement with a short lead time to the actual split as happened the first split (unless perhaps it was a 2:1).

...and others have pointed out that due to requirements for employee options, grants and so on there may not be enough free shares for a 2:1 split.

 

[Nocturnal]

Although the supply chain vendors have signed confidentiality agreements and are unwilling to disclose details, the insiders of the industry admit that the "U.S. Double A" refers to the two manufacturers of Apple and Amazon. The industry nicknames "one big A, one little A"."

I'm definitely skeptical. I think both of these companies will find that actually scaling an EV business is harder than they imagine.

I've debated ppl like this before. They worked for the government.
Gov ppl like to take an old concept (ex. money printing), change a few bits and present it with a new name (ex. Quantitative Easing). Then calls anyone that calls QE as money printing "Misunderstanding" the concept.

Shows what you know. It's mostly just 1s and 0s in the cloud these days.

 

[Zaxxon]

Can the Elon's Words: Text, and Subtext - A Joint Dissertation in Hundreds of Face-Slapping Posts 'discussion' please get taken to another thread (preferably a private one between the two main participants? By my count we've now had moderators and several posters make that request, to no visible effect.

 

[Bet TSLA]

No, you're doing so by ignoring the second half the sentence.

Since you seem much more interested in being right than in discovering truth, I think it's time I start ignoring you again. Best of luck.

 

[2daMoon]

...and others have pointed out that due to requirements for employee options, grants and so on there may not be enough free shares for a 2:1 split.

Which has bearing on why I asked Santa for the split, rather than Elon.

I KNOW Santa has magic dust, I only suspect that Elon does.

 

[Big Time]

Macros flipping positive?

I’d love to get above 675

668 is today’s “high”

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Looks like TSLA is climbing a bit with the S&P500. First!

 

[Big Time]

$TSLA short int is $34.55BN; 49.72M shs shorted; 6.56% of Float; 6.15% S3 SI% Flt.Shs shorted up +2.19M shs,+4.62%, over last 30 days & up +199K shs,+0.40%, last week.Shorts down -$38.20B in 2020 mark-to-market losses;up +$1.8B on today's -5% move, offsetting -$1.9B Friday's loss

 

[MABMAB]

Telling people I'm going to ignore you is so kiddie playground of a move.
yeah well I'm not gonna play with you any more!
bunch of rich snoddy a whole$ you must all be with these gains

I don't have enough to shun others.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Where do you pull the time and sales data? Is that from Finra? IB has a tool but I cannot export the data.

NASDAQ. Click "Data Table" in the upper-right of the graph, then "Export to Excel". Note: the SP and Vol columns come into your worksheet as text. Using the "Text to Column" function separately on each column will convert the entire field into something you can use to do maths.

can you tell us how many shares were traded at the 695$ price in after hours? Or may be provide a link to where I can download the time and trade data

Effectively Zero (the highest 'Per minute' VWAP After-hrs was only $680). See above.

I believe a majority of AH was at the 695$ price which would strongly indicate that the index funds were buying AH. The question is who were the sellers? Was it the Shorts supplying the liquidity?

No, the After-hrs VWAP was about $678. I posted this previously, if you want to find the exact value. No way to determine who were the sellers (unless you believe in Econonics).

Today, we can be quite sure its 'shortzes' selling: (no 'long' dumps like this while macros swing up)

Just look at the TSLA icicle at 10:30 am when both macro indices (QQQ, SPY) are headed up. TSLA? MMs push it down.

IMHO, Tesla's BOD should announce a 12:5 Share Dividend on Thursday morning during the Pre-Market. The 2 days period since the TSLA addition allows time for all the trades to finalize, and would be a great Yuletime Eff-ewe to the shortzes and haters...

Cheers!

 

[2daMoon]

It was about a year and a half ago that I developed more of a focus on SpaceX. This soon led to my normal assimilation of all the data, particularly that regarding Starship. Eventually, searches landed me on Teslarati and I began to learn more about the wider range of all things Elon.

Somewhere around October of last year I got curious about investing in those things, and having zero experience with investing and a marked distrust for Wall Street in general, began expanding my knowledge base. It was soon apparent there was no way for me to buy into SpaceX or Starlink directly, but, I could buy into Tesla. A quick look at the current charts at the time indicated to me immediately that TSLA was in a prime position to be bought cheap and I began the tunneling operations into the couch cushions and throwing everything I could find into buying TSLA, just so I could have a piece of the grander scheme of saving the planet and the species. Over the next six months or so, I slowly but surely went all-in.

Here we are over a year later and I have no regrets at all. (other than taking six months to buy all my chairs)

Then, this most excellent mini-documentary reminded me of how it all started, for me. Enjoy.

 

[Nocturnal]

Telling people I'm going to ignore you is so kiddie playground of a move.
yeah well I'm not gonna play with you any more!
bunch of rich snoddy a whole$ you must all be with these gains

I don't have enough to shun others.

That's not fair. I was an elitist jerk well before TSLA earned me a bunch of money.

It was soon apparent there was no way for me to buy into SpaceX or Starlink directly, A]

Hopefully your TSLA gains will get you to the point where you can invest in SpaceX semi-directly at least.