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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I'm no expert - but you can't use motors as a substitute for humanoid muscle motion - you need pre-loaded string-style actuators - that's why bostonDyn and other natural moving robots use pneumatics afaik - please, if someone with knowledge and mother-tounge could elaborate further
(and it's 4:30am here)(
CLK350
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What's mind blowing, Elon also has thought of the implications for the future in general philosophical terms, before getting to this point.
YouTube: Elon Musk It's Too Late Now -
Compilation of his various thoughts on the subject - listening to it live from is much better, but here are some snippets:
"There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better. That's simply . .and I want to be clear that these are not things that I think . .that I wish would happen These are simply things that I think probably will happen.
I think we'll just end up doing a universal basic income..
So with automation there will come abundance.
Almost everything will get very cheap.
I think we will..
The harder challenge, much harder challenge is, how do people then have meaning, like a lot of people they derive meaning from their employment. So if you don't have .. if you're not needed, if there is not a need for your labor what do you .. what's the meaning? Do you have meaning, do you feel useless.
That's a much harder problem to deal with.
And how do we ensure that the future is the future that we want .. "
YouTube: Elon Musk It's Too Late Now -
Compilation of his various thoughts on the subject - listening to it live from is much better, but here are some snippets:
"There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better. That's simply . .and I want to be clear that these are not things that I think . .that I wish would happen These are simply things that I think probably will happen.
I think we'll just end up doing a universal basic income..
So with automation there will come abundance.
Almost everything will get very cheap.
I think we will..
The harder challenge, much harder challenge is, how do people then have meaning, like a lot of people they derive meaning from their employment. So if you don't have .. if you're not needed, if there is not a need for your labor what do you .. what's the meaning? Do you have meaning, do you feel useless.
That's a much harder problem to deal with.
And how do we ensure that the future is the future that we want .. "
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ZachF
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....So how long before Tesla starts building a giant fab in Austin....?
BrownOuttaSpec
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That would be a $100 billion question. I hope it gets asked! (AWS 2.0)
Todd Burch
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Servos. I work at a kinematics company working with robots. I have about 6 robots at my office ranging in size from a small child to a large truck. They all use electric motors/servos as actuators. None are pneumatic.I'm no expert - but you can't use motors as a substitute for humanoid muscle motion - you need pre-loaded string-style actuators - that's why bostonDyn and other natural moving robots use pneumatics afaik - please, if someone with knowledge and mother-tounge could elaborate further
Stretch2727
Engineer and Car Nut
Maybe just the nerd in me, but I like that these presentations are the raw engineering. No marketing spin.
Asimov established a career, writing about exceptions to the "3 Rules of Robotics"
Knightshade
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Heh, Ashok and then Elon confirming NNs are still just for perception in production right now, with Ashok mentioning they're eventually looking to do a hybrid model for planning, but then Elon jumping in to reiterate he believes NNs just for perception, even if they stick to just c++ for planning and control, will get them many times safer than humans.
And gaming designers: rockstar!Stanford and other top schools is going to lose all their top AI researchers
Carl Raymond
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I'm no expert - but you can't use motors as a substitute for humanoid muscle motion - you need pre-loaded string-style actuators - that's why bostonDyn and other natural moving robots use pneumatics afaik - please, if someone with knowledge and mother-tounge could elaborate further
I’d be surprised if Tesla (don’t forget that includes Grohmann) don’t already have actuators on par or better than human muscles for strength, power (density), accuracy, speed.
ZachF
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Nolimits
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All these elonflops are over my head. I need a reference point. So this exagigacabinetflop chip thing. It’s like really good right? So is Nvda our new competitor or is it Amazon?
Drumheller
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Agreed. All of this tech is also to help pave the way to building a city on Mars
now that you mention Mars it makes sense - it also makes sense to open Dojo to SpaceX early on to use it to train ML models at SpaceX - oh boy
“Worst job”? For me, it’s lying under my rental cabins (20-22” clearance between ground and cabin), thawing septic lines at -29ºF. ESPECIALLY once those brown trout start their upstream migration….it’s amazing where they will worm their way into. Bring on the Tesla Bots!
===>But….make sure they can work at these temperatures. Not all is California, folks.<===. Good training for Mars.
===>But….make sure they can work at these temperatures. Not all is California, folks.<===. Good training for Mars.
ZachF
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I'm no expert - but you can't use motors as a substitute for humanoid muscle motion - you need pre-loaded string-style actuators - that's why bostonDyn and other natural moving robots use pneumatics afaik - please, if someone with knowledge and mother-tounge could elaborate further
Muscles are basically segmented linear motors.
Knightshade
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Going to be mildly annoyed, and not at all surprised, if this ends with nobody asking about HW4.
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