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Worth keeping in mind that revenue recognition does not equal Level 5 or Robotaxi.

We’ll get revenue recognition once FSD handles the basic tasks relatively safely. Major roadblock for that milestone is still unprotected lefts and crossing/turning onto major roads from minor roads. Drivers will still need to pay close attention and take over as needed.

Robotaxi will probably come in limited areas a few years after that. Sleeping in the car is probably another 5-8 years out. (Not even considering regulation).
 
Maybe Tesla has the same reason the grocery stores have for moving things around? They know that customers start skipping parts of the store (or in Teslas case functions) because they learn that in aisle 5 there is nothing they normally need. So they start skipping that aisle. The store lose sales because if every customer actually went through all the aisles they would now and then find something they needed in aisle 5.

This is why all grocery stores, and many other stores, move stuff around all the time and often do a serious makeover every few years. To make you go through all the aisles.

Maybe Tesla want everyone to change some behavior and discover new functions by changing the interface.

Or maybe Elon is just being mean.
Absolutely. Even an OCD nerd such as I missed several new recent great features that have been there for a while, until I was forced to review the whole UI and find “Wait! What is this? I thought this was still ‘coming soon’ … “

Important to push folks to stay up with the cool features, so they use them and talk about them to their friends, and their friends buy Teslas, and … TSLA goes up. See, there is a connection.
 
If you're having trouble with the auto wipers, use voice control, e.g. "Set wipers to 2".
Cheers.

After four winters I know all the ”hacks” to keep things safe.

Bottom line, if there is no contrast for the cameras to figure out there are drops on the windscreen, the automatic wipers simply don’t work.

Peace and Merry Christmas.
 
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In January 2013 I paid cash for my Model S of $92k. At the time the stock price was about $35 a share. Had I financed the car at the time and bought stock instead, it would be 2,628 shares x 5 for the split x $1067= $14 million. Most expensive car I ever bought!
Ha. Not many people were willing to dump 90k into a start up car company while coming out of a financial crisis with the news blasting "double dip recession" every day. That was also the year Fisker declared bankruptcy, not exactly confidence inspiring.

Now you see how everyone is dumping money into the "next tesla" without a care in the world because of Tesla's success. Too bad in the market the only time you make money is when the risk is too high for normal people to handle, and lose money when everyone feels like it's free money.
 
Are you serious? I've had a 99 for three weeks and I'm still waiting. Paid for FSD 2.5 years ago. 🤬🤬🤬

I hadn't received any updates for like the past 2-3 months. But have now received three in the past week - two yesterday. I had a day with an 80 and another with a 85, each had a single incident of phantom Forward Collision Alert, that would have disappeared in the next week or so. So maybe they took pity on me.

I hope you get the beta soon!
 
Exactly.
Except that as @UkNorthampton pointed out your screenshots indicate Shanghai -> Rotterdam shipping cost of almost $9000 per container.

At 2 cars per 20 ft container - which what google says is typical - that would make cost of shipping 1 car over $4000 not $600. I've never shipped a car I am really confused where estimate of $600 per car comes from.
Apologies for mis-typing.

The reason I pulled the quotes up was to show that $600/car for shipping was a believable number. To do a more detailed comparison one has to take into account that a container is 20' long vs the 15' length of a car; that the quotes I pulled up were for 1x not 700,000x units; the difference in lane width; that the shipping type is container vs specialised car-carrier; and to be real finnicky there may also be a transit speed difference; oh and difference in port handling fees. But overall I can go with $600ea.*

When you've done all that mental adjustment the take-away is that the 700k units for $422m @ $600ea is believable.

That in turn then begs the question of what exactly is being shipped where during what time period. If it is Shanghai exports only and for 1-year only then it is seriously bonkers numbers, implying a tripling of total manufacturing volume in one year in Shanghai. Whilst that would be good news, it seems unlikely. Therefore I've proposed a more complex series of shipping routes (triangular or quare trade) that might bring it more into less bonkers territory, and I've noted that others (notably Caterpillar) do work similar routing patterns as they optimise their global manufacturing and logistics.

Some other peripheral suggestions were put forwards by @jbcarioca, though to be honest (sorry jbcarioca) I don't think on this occasion he is adding anything that I hadn't already considered and either dismissed myself, or included. (at least going on the public domain info here ...)

(A possibility we should be aware of, if they are running square/triangular/etc routings is that they will also be exploiting these vessels to move storage product around the world, or chargers for that matter. As yet that is probably not material, but it will in time becomes so. There are ways of getting around the ro-ro nature of these car carriers if it is beneficial to do so).

Bottom line is, as @ArtfulDodger has pointed out, these are very significant numbers in this announcement. Exactly what they mean is open to debate, but they are most certainly not "gentle expansion". More like "explosive detonation".

(Poll : who will be the first legacy to go bust. I, once again, propose either BMW or JLR.)

As an aside 1) I do feel that quarterly investor calls ought to have more relevant info offered by the company, and 2) tougher and more pertinent questions from the floor, and 3) there should be no corporate investor briefing days whatsoever - we should all get an absolutely even break. After all if I can be bothered to share my insight and information, then I want it to be on an absolutely level playing field basis.

* Average cost of goods sold per vehicle is currently $35,300 per vehicle. If sea-freight of a vehicle is $600ea then one can calculate some improvement as a result of having a three-continent factory footprint. However that is an apples and pears set of data, so I won't be doing it. More important in my mind are the improvements in import tax+duties burden, and reduced cost of capital due to less goods-in-transit.
 
Is that still an issue after doing this (the drag and drop one not the light show)?

Unfortunately there's a lot of things it won't let you drop into the quick launch bar at the bottom- so many things that were single press or swipe before now require 2-3 actions on different menus to do or display now (defrost, user profile, tire pressure, trip meter, seat heaters, wiper card, etc)

How much one cares will be hugely YMMV of course- I used 1-touch defrost fairly often in certain weather so that's 100% a downgrade for me personally, others might've never used it. Whereas I never used the wiper card but others are already lamenting its loss because they used it all the time. Some of em you can get to other ways (voice for example) some aren't as easy.

Ideally there'll be a future update allowing more options for what you can link a shortcut to on the quick launch bar so whatever is important to that driver can be there.



Further discussion can probably go to a thread like this:
 
Yes, got FSD Beta, too, just returned from a test drive. Not in any way fully autonomous yet, but still amazing, makes me super excited to see the progress Tesla has made! I'm very surprised Tesla allows one to go so much over the speed limit in Beta, especially on city streets, I think they should keep it at +5mph over max like with normal AP

Problem is it's absolutely horrendous at knowing the right speed limit.... massively more so in city driving because there's so many fewer speed limit signs posted.

It very often defaults to 25 mph for roads around here that are 45 or 55... a +5 limit would max me at 30 on roads people are driving 2x that speed... so I often find myself having to frantically spin the speed scroll wheel up after it completes a local roads turn.


People get distracted over the "does tesla need HD maps" discussion-- because clearly they don't need millimeter accurate maps if vision works well... but a LOT of the code does need maps with accurate general info like number and type of lanes (esp important for prepping upcoming turns it can't yet see), as well as speed limits, if it's ever going to work well without a human to correct it.... there's been talk for a while of them using fleet data to build these, but presently it's still all 3rd party data which isn't as accurate or dense as it needs to be.
 
Problem is it's absolutely horrendous at knowing the right speed limit.... massively more so in city driving because there's so many fewer speed limit signs posted.

It very often defaults to 25 mph for roads around here that are 45 or 55... a +5 limit would max me at 30 on roads people are driving 2x that speed... so I often find myself having to frantically spin the speed scroll wheel up after it completes a local roads turn.


People get distracted over the "does tesla need HD maps" discussion-- because clearly they don't need millimeter accurate maps if vision works well... but a LOT of the code does need maps with accurate general info like number and type of lanes (esp important for prepping upcoming turns it can't yet see), as well as speed limits, if it's ever going to work well without a human to correct it.... there's been talk for a while of them using fleet data to build these, but presently it's still all 3rd party data which isn't as accurate or dense as it needs to be.
Honestly good map data brings the car to almost FSD production ready overnight. We had some construction my usual way home the other week. It was only for 2 nights. For whatever reason this data was pushed out to the map in real time. My highway EAP literally start turning gearing up to exit BEFORE I realize what was going on. I was about to disengage until I saw we were all forced to exit and detour on city streets for 1 exit and then back onto the hwy. FSD handled the entire thing perfectly. Without this real time map data push, I wonder if EAP will just run over the cones and completely screw this up (I have always disengaged before as to it gets close to the cones and I was always more safe than sorry).

So the map is capable of getting real time detour data from the city. I don't know why there are so many errors all over the place.
 
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Does Tesla sleep at night?

From a learning perspective.

Elon talked of being to drive to work autonomously. As I am looking, I have substituted the boat club for a repeated destination. Here are my discoveries:

  1. It really likes to act like it is going to high school by moving into the school specific turn lane, thinking that this is the correct lane for a right hand turn a little bit later. The problem is that this lane ends in a curb, that threatens roundness, which is near and dear to me. I have seen this 3 or 4 times and it does not matter what is playing on the sound system: Petula Clark, Jim Croce or Frank Sinatra. It still feels like it needs to go back to school - even with Frank Sinatra!
  2. Chill is better.
  3. The bi-modal distribution on UI affection could be country related. It is a beautifully useful UI for FSD training. If FSD Beta is not turned on, or available in your region, the new UI is less obviously wonderful.
This is said to be a neural network. Like your brain. Or your dog's brain. I see marked improvement in learning after a night's sleep.

Tesla does not appear to nap in one hour slices during the daytime.

  • Does Tesla primarily sleep at night?
  • Was the stealth FSD Beta (unannounced) a way to smear the FSD take rate to give the computers that clean up the neural net at night time to accommodate new users in new geographies?
 
TL;DR - Today marks my decade TMC anniversary. I'm so happy for this forum. I appreciate everyone that participates to make this a true melting pot of amazingly sharp minds, shares their insights, puts stuff 'out there' and the community answers in a way that I can trust. We are living in a world that has ever increasing and accelerating change; we, here in this forum, are staying ahead of it, helping to invest in it, helping to shape it, benefiting from it in many ways and above all, making a world a better place for it!

Throughout my life, I've changed quite a bit, but do not feel like I've compromised my fundamental values. Never invested in petroleum or tobacco; both have hurt me and my family at an early age and continue to be burden to the planet and society.

My early days in college had me dreaming about a flywheel design to reduce emissions. I later found out, when working with JB, that he also had that idea originally! So cool! I really enjoyed working with him. So damn smart! Also, Elon was smart as well ;) I had invested almost all of my savings in TSLA, prior to joining Tesla, but remained steadfast thanks to this forum!

I took delivery of my first Tesla Jan 2013, a 60kWh Model S with the first 3rd row seat installed at the factory. Later, when I joined Tesla, I found an easel, on the original S line, prior to when we tore it down, where the line workers would write the VIN down when they completed it. A magical moment for me to see where my baby was born. To this day, she is being very well taken care of by a good family friend with very little battery degradation I might add for the original battery!

After Tesla, I made Google Maps and then custom ASICs, but my best job was definitely building up the team and making AP at Tesla.






 
TL;DR - Today marks my decade TMC anniversary. I'm so happy for this forum. I appreciate everyone that participates to make this a true melting pot of amazingly sharp minds, shares their insights, puts stuff 'out there' and the community answers in a way that I can trust. We are living in a world that has ever increasing and accelerating change; we, here in this forum, are staying ahead of it, helping to invest in it, helping to shape it, benefiting from it in many ways and above all, making a world a better place for it!

Throughout my life, I've changed quite a bit, but do not feel like I've compromised my fundamental values. Never invested in petroleum or tobacco; both have hurt me and my family at an early age and continue to be burden to the planet and society.

My early days in college had me dreaming about a flywheel design to reduce emissions. I later found out, when working with JB, that he also had that idea originally! So cool! I really enjoyed working with him. So damn smart! Also, Elon was smart as well ;) I had invested almost all of my savings in TSLA, prior to joining Tesla, but remained steadfast thanks to this forum!

I took delivery of my first Tesla Jan 2013, a 60kWh Model S with the first 3rd row seat installed at the factory. Later, when I joined Tesla, I found an easel, on the original S line, prior to when we tore it down, where the line workers would write the VIN down when they completed it. A magical moment for me to see where my baby was born. To this day, she is being very well taken care of by a good family friend with very little battery degradation I might add for the original battery!

After Tesla, I made Google Maps and then custom ASICs, but my best job was definitely building up the team and making AP at Tesla.







I did not know of your background and am very much impressed. So many impressive accomplishments and your take on the whole enchilada rings a bell with my observations. I am grateful for Tesla and the behind the scenes people who contributed to the mission. We now have real hope for the future.
Thanks and happy Holidays.
 
Recommended to watch a determined 37 year old Elon Musk being interviewed in 2008:

Text translated from Dutch:
Thanks to Tesla, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. Thirteen years ago, VPRO Tegenlicht visited him when he launched his first electric car.
Ilija Bozovic - December 24, 2021

Tesla's stock market value shot past 1 trillion ($1,000 billion) this year, making it worth more than American automakers Ford and General Motors (GM) combined. To Elon Musk, now the richest man on Earth, it doesn't seem to come as a surprise.

In 2008, when VPRO Backlight visited 37-year-old Elon Musk, it was not self-evident that the car of the future would be electric. Major car manufacturers in Detroit and Europe did not yet dare to take the step and there was plenty of speculation about hydrogen as a sustainable alternative. But Elon Musk was already sure at the time: in the future we will drive electrically.

'big companies are not good at revolutionary innovation'
When Tesla's first car, the Roadster, had yet to hit the market, he saw companies like Ford and GM as direct competitors. According to Musk, these companies had difficulty with major innovations. It is the small businesses that should lead the way. The question is whether a small, talented and dedicated team dares to take risks to create something innovative. That matters, not money. The world is awash with money," said Elon Musk in 2008.

The Tesla CEO was recently named 'Person of the Year' by the American magazine TIME. Musk received the prize, among other things, because he "creates solutions for existential crises and sets up groundbreaking transformations."

Enjoy the short movie. It shows the (may I say: our?) visionary Musk.

Link to the article with the embedded movie.

Thx everyone for an entertaining and generous 2021.
Stay safe and healthy and may 2022 bring all the love and happiness for all of you and your families.
 
I had pencilled in 680k of Shanghai production for 2022. I really don't know how to conceive of 700k exports from China in 2022, that would be outrageous volumes.

Thanks for sharing your real-world experience. The following report on Giga Shanghai planned 2022 production increase came out 1 month ago:


These parts seem most relevant:

According to state-run Global Times website citing information disclosed in the assessment report, Tesla will upgrade the plant’s phase one production lines by investing 1.2 billion yuan ($188 million) in the project, of which 85 million yuan ($13.3 million) will be allocated for environmental protection.

The expansion project will be carried out in Tesla’s car manufacturing areas of the existing Model 3, Model Y and other derivative car models.

The project is expected to start construction this December and complete in April 2022.
 
TL;DR - Today marks my decade TMC anniversary. I'm so happy for this forum. I appreciate everyone that participates to make this a true melting pot of amazingly sharp minds, shares their insights, puts stuff 'out there' and the community answers in a way that I can trust. We are living in a world that has ever increasing and accelerating change; we, here in this forum, are staying ahead of it, helping to invest in it, helping to shape it, benefiting from it in many ways and above all, making a world a better place for it!

Throughout my life, I've changed quite a bit, but do not feel like I've compromised my fundamental values. Never invested in petroleum or tobacco; both have hurt me and my family at an early age and continue to be burden to the planet and society.

My early days in college had me dreaming about a flywheel design to reduce emissions. I later found out, when working with JB, that he also had that idea originally! So cool! I really enjoyed working with him. So damn smart! Also, Elon was smart as well ;) I had invested almost all of my savings in TSLA, prior to joining Tesla, but remained steadfast thanks to this forum!

I took delivery of my first Tesla Jan 2013, a 60kWh Model S with the first 3rd row seat installed at the factory. Later, when I joined Tesla, I found an easel, on the original S line, prior to when we tore it down, where the line workers would write the VIN down when they completed it. A magical moment for me to see where my baby was born. To this day, she is being very well taken care of by a good family friend with very little battery degradation I might add for the original battery!

After Tesla, I made Google Maps and then custom ASICs, but my best job was definitely building up the team and making AP at Tesla.






Yes, we are living in a world of accelerating change. I frequent this forum because so many here get that, want to better understand it, and to some humble degree, want to participate in it.

Outside this forum, most of my friends and family are distracted by the ceaseless noise of politics, sports, the markets, etc.

I anticipate this forum to get only more interesting in the decade ahead, partly because of the acceleration of change, and partly because Tesla and Musk’s other ventures will likely play a pivotal role in so many different and interconnected facets of that change.

So Merry Christmas to all you pirates on the choppy seas of the future. Hold on tight, I’m not sure where we are headed, but we sure are picking up speed!
 
TL;DR - Today marks my decade TMC anniversary. I'm so happy for this forum. I appreciate everyone that participates to make this a true melting pot of amazingly sharp minds, shares their insights, puts stuff 'out there' and the community answers in a way that I can trust. We are living in a world that has ever increasing and accelerating change; we, here in this forum, are staying ahead of it, helping to invest in it, helping to shape it, benefiting from it in many ways and above all, making a world a better place for it!

Throughout my life, I've changed quite a bit, but do not feel like I've compromised my fundamental values. Never invested in petroleum or tobacco; both have hurt me and my family at an early age and continue to be burden to the planet and society.

My early days in college had me dreaming about a flywheel design to reduce emissions. I later found out, when working with JB, that he also had that idea originally! So cool! I really enjoyed working with him. So damn smart! Also, Elon was smart as well ;) I had invested almost all of my savings in TSLA, prior to joining Tesla, but remained steadfast thanks to this forum!

I took delivery of my first Tesla Jan 2013, a 60kWh Model S with the first 3rd row seat installed at the factory. Later, when I joined Tesla, I found an easel, on the original S line, prior to when we tore it down, where the line workers would write the VIN down when they completed it. A magical moment for me to see where my baby was born. To this day, she is being very well taken care of by a good family friend with very little battery degradation I might add for the original battery!

After Tesla, I made Google Maps and then custom ASICs, but my best job was definitely building up the team and making AP at Tesla.






I enjoyed reading that