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Do you trust someone that you know lies to you 50% of the time?

Why so many people in this thread still want to trust and defend journalists is beyond my understanding. The media exists to make money and as a propaganda machine for govts and monetary interests. Always has. Believing it exists simply to tell facts or the truth to educate and inform people is a fairy tale.
You could say the same about the car industry - but as we know there are exceptions so I try to keep from black and white thinking.
 
According to Omar, Shorts under investigation for "Short & Distort"

behind a paywall but mentions spoofing in the teaser text, also discusses "Damaging research reports" etc

 
“ The Bolt is GM's mass-market electric car aimed to compete with and kill the Tesla Model 3.”


Do you think people would buy the Bolt again, really?
Can someone please tell Mary to make up her mind????

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Can someone please tell Mary to make up her mind????

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Give them a break. When you make a living inventing the truth on a daily basis, the actual truth can rear it’s ugly head and contradict you. Or you forget what last month’s “truth” was an invent a new, contradictory truth.

It can be hard when you invent so many narratives to keep them all straight.
 
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If I am GM, and I lose money on each one...why would I want to produce any vehicles that could potentially takes parts from the hummer...that probably should make money at 6 figures? The whole bolt brand is tainted, what dealer will want to stock these, and what consumer will want to put in an order?
 
In May of '78 NHTSA had officially declared the Ford Pinto defective, and in June Ford issued a recall on them. That's June 1978.

The pinto remained on sale through 1980 and was only killed because it was replaced by the FWD Escort in the lineup.

Sales those last couple years were lower than the last pre-recall year, but only 10-20% lower.


People will buy anything if it's cheap enough.
I was just thinking how analogous the Pinto situation was to the Bolt last night- great minds.

However, I'm not sure that GM can make the Bolts cheap enough to lure back many consumers. I doubt they're prepared to sell a large volume of them at a loss. The Bolt, more than any other model of EV, is doomed without a new federal incentive. Unsafe at no speed.
 
If I am GM, and I lose money on each one...why would I want to produce any vehicles that could potentially takes parts from the hummer...that probably should make money at 6 figures? The whole bolt brand is tainted, what dealer will want to stock these, and what consumer will want to put in an order?

The Hummer is not going to sell in enough volume to make any significant profits for GM. It's an EV design chosen because GM thinks they can sell it without losing money. It will never make enough money to move the needle on GM's balance sheet.
 
According to Omar, Shorts under investigation for "Short & Distort"

behind a paywall but mentions spoofing in the teaser text, also discusses "Damaging research reports" etc



Sadly many years too late. They had a lengthy and strong effort to kill tesla from many angles, sure the FUD continues but Tesla is beyond their reach now, but had they killed tesla in 2017/18 etc this wouldnt have brought it back.
 
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“ The Bolt is GM's mass-market electric car aimed to compete with and kill the Tesla Model 3.”


Do you think people would buy the Bolt again, really?
If you do decide to read this nonsense (which I wouldn't recommend), and you make it through to the bit where the Bolt is planned to kill the Model 3, you might as well persevere to the end, and read the very final sentence in the article:

"The spokesman declined to specify whether GM had determined the number of Bolt units it intended to manufacture this year"

At least they have a sense of humour. They manage to undermine the entire article in one sentence
 
I think we've all worked long hours, and under less than ideal situations, at one time or another during our lives. And most of us didn't become millionaires in the process.

I think what most people have a hard time visualizing (along with exponential growth), is that a moment in time is not forever. If you look at what the lifestyle of doctor residency is, or first or second year wall street bankers, you'll find it's common to literally work almost every waking second. That doesn't mean that's the way it'll be for their whole life...
As I tell my kid's "there are two types of people that work 8 hours a day, those that made it and those that never will"