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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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ZachF
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The overall market could drop pretty substantially, but since EVs are now in the steep part of their S curve even with a substantial drop in auto demand EV demand will still grow fast… so any pain in China will be felt in the ICE sector.
@Electroman
AXPWQ is still listed, or at least you can get a quote $0.005, with an avg vol of 55,000 !! (which doesn't seem to change)
(SA lets you keep a portfolio list they update, data may be a bit stale)
last time i looked a number of years back, i found ~$186?/share, with an exponential declining graph down to way below 1 cent, and i remember at least 3 reverse splits, 1:35 and 1:50 when i look, there seems to be incomplete data since I only find 2 splits
when you multiply those together is eyepopping 1:1,750.
(18,600 pennies for far less than 1 penny)
(Its always illuminating as an intellectual exercise in why you should HODL, (weep) to multiply todays stock price by number of splits)
TSLA 5:1 actual value ~$4,500/share
AAPL 224:1 actual value ~$39,000/share
AOL 128:1 long gone
CSCO 288:1 actual value ~$14,000/share
MSFT 288:1 actual value ~$84,000/share
IOM 3:1, 2:1 2:1 big oopsie, ouchie then reverse split 1:5, a combined 12:1 became 2.4:1
(Iomega was fun, watched in 'real time' it spike from $20 to $100 and sold as it passed ~$60 downwards at brokerage office, microseconds mattered)
AXPW Stock Split History
A stock split history for AXPW and split-adjusted CAGR.
Nah... Wall Street will compare costs of the status quo human with the Robot capital up-front costs + learning time + energy + maintenance... to prove that humans are better, faster, cheaper. They'll be correct, at first. Until someday when we think of a Robot in terms of when it works off it's cost and it's labor becomes free. So Return on Investment becomes job dependent. Bigger brain, more batteries, more learning data to process, more accessories - it all better be worth the task assigned or it's like overpaying the Robot. So then classes of Robots? Oh boy...
By potential I don’t mean excited, but no longer treating it as a joke. This applies to recruiting as well.
Does Fox broadcast news? More like fake news!
Whole Mars Catalog exposing Dan O'Clown conflict of interest in attacking Tesla FSD, and reporting on the fatal accident caused by Green Hill's ADAS system.
Captkerosene
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My calculation of Tesla's costs for a Bot is as follows:
Production cost: $20,000.
Amortized over 5 years. Annual depreciation: $4,000.
Operational costs: $1/hour. (electricity, MX, degreaser
)Average use: 12 hours/day. 50 weeks per year. 4,200 hours per year.
That results in an all-in cost of $1.95/hr.
There are 36,000 McDonalds restaurants in the world. If we put 1 bot in each and charged $12/hour for a fry cook, that's a profit of $42,000/year for each restaurant or $1.5 Billion total. Just for one position at one fast food franchise.
I think being a fry cook at McD's is far easier than being a chauffeur in Manhattan. Maybe 20X easier? Vector space worries, labeling, edge cases and kids dressed as orange cones on Halloween issues all go away.
Bot started as Plan B but is quickly becoming Plan A.
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willow_hiller
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Surprised to find a relatively objective NYT article about Tesla, Autopilot, and data collection for safety. It even exhibits a collision that happened while a car was on Autopilot (with a neat scrolling visualization), but it's pretty clear that AP wasn't at fault:
www.nytimes.com
Can Tesla Data Help Us Understand Car Crashes? (Published 2022)
Data and video recorded by Tesla and other automakers to hone driver-assistance systems can also be an investigative tool for regulators and lawyers.
a while back some folks were following FTD, "Failure to Deliver", so I parsed all TSLA going back to 2010 thru end of July 2022
I don;t know how to interpret but there was a 'house' that failed in there around end of June 2021 IF I remember correctly
the average which may be a bogus number (or incorrect) seems to run around 49,500/day in about 2,800 data points)
zoom in
graphing the last year, the left axis goes up to 800,000 shares, like 4 "pulses", 2 in sept and 2 in late november and a large "grouping" around mid-late december 2021 (again avg is 49,500 over 2,800 data points)
If you multiply the closing price of the day by number of shares FTD you get quite LARGE dollar amounts, especially in december 2021
if anyone wants to fiddle with those numbers I attached the excel file, hopefully the split will decrease synthetic shares
I don;t know how to interpret but there was a 'house' that failed in there around end of June 2021 IF I remember correctly
the average which may be a bogus number (or incorrect) seems to run around 49,500/day in about 2,800 data points)
zoom in
graphing the last year, the left axis goes up to 800,000 shares, like 4 "pulses", 2 in sept and 2 in late november and a large "grouping" around mid-late december 2021 (again avg is 49,500 over 2,800 data points)
If you multiply the closing price of the day by number of shares FTD you get quite LARGE dollar amounts, especially in december 2021
if anyone wants to fiddle with those numbers I attached the excel file, hopefully the split will decrease synthetic shares
Was the other car running Green Hills Software? I hear it's sketch.Surprised to find a relatively objective NYT article about Tesla, Autopilot, and data collection for safety. It even exhibits a collision that happened while a car was on Autopilot (with a neat scrolling visualization), but it's pretty clear that AP wasn't at fault:
Can Tesla Data Help Us Understand Car Crashes? (Published 2022)
Data and video recorded by Tesla and other automakers to hone driver-assistance systems can also be an investigative tool for regulators and lawyers.
@captkeroseneMy calculation of Tesla's costs for a Bot is as follows:
Production cost: $20,000.
Amortized over 5 years. Annual depreciation: $4,000.
Operational costs: $1/hour. (electricity, MX, degreaser
Average use: 12 hours/day. 50 weeks per year. 4,200 hours per year.
That results in an all-in cost of $1.95/hr.
There are 36,000 McDonalds restaurants in the world. If we put 1 bot in each and charged $12/hour for a fry cook, that's a profit of $42,000/year for each restaurant or $1.5 Billion total. Just for one position at one fast food franchise.
I think being a fry cook at McD's is far easier than being a chauffeur in Manhattan. Maybe 20X easier? Vector space worries, labeling, edge cases and kids dressed as orange cones on Halloween issues all go away.
Bot started as Plan B but is quickly becoming Plan A.
IF you want an obscure reference, We need a bot that can sling the drink "3 planets", thats perfetion
Captkerosene
Member
I like your numbers but...
How are bots going to spend their 2 week vacation?
Gigapress
Trying to be less wrong
Weird that in the WTH section, all the FTD peaks are almost exactly 600,000 shares. There must be a reason for that, but what?
Isn’t the Q at the end mean they are in bankruptcy now.@Electroman
AXPWQ is still listed, or at least you can get a quote $0.005, with an avg vol of 55,000 !! (which doesn't seem to change)
(SA lets you keep a portfolio list they update, data may be a bit stale)
last time i looked a number of years back, i found ~$186?/share, with an exponential declining graph down to way below 1 cent, and i remember at least 3 reverse splits, 1:35 and 1:50 when i look, there seems to be incomplete data since I only find 2 splits
when you multiply those together is eyepopping 1:1,750.
(18,600 pennies for far less than 1 penny)
(Its always illuminating as an intellectual exercise in why you should HODL, (weep) to multiply todays stock price by number of splits)
TSLA 5:1 actual value ~$4,500/share
AAPL 224:1 actual value ~$39,000/share
AOL 128:1 long gone
CSCO 288:1 actual value ~$14,000/share
MSFT 288:1 actual value ~$84,000/share
IOM 3:1, 2:1 2:1 big oopsie, ouchie then reverse split 1:5, a combined 12:1 became 2.4:1
(Iomega was fun, watched in 'real time' it spike from $20 to $100 and sold as it passed ~$60 downwards at brokerage office, microseconds mattered)
AXPW Stock Split History
A stock split history for AXPW and split-adjusted CAGR.www.stocksplithistory.com
The irony of scums like Petersen who were predicting Tesla to go bankrupt while at the same time pumping Axion.
Like us…recharging.I like your numbers but...
How are bots going to spend their 2 week vacation?
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