Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Tslynk67]

Why the heck would this video look so different than the last?

I think the benefit of AI is in preventing emergencies to begin with. Most accidents are caused by driver's being drunk, tired, distracted, driving aggressively etc. If we resolve that then true emergencies will be super rare.

Just eliminating all driving under the influence (drugs and alcohol) would halve the amount of major accidents.

And driving when too tired, it's worse than being drunk.

 

[joefee]

Delays may be caused by lawyers telling Elon what not to say

 

[Sean Wagner]

Where's Kimbal when you need him to advance Elon's alarm?

 

[tslalala]

Although we're used to "Elon-time", many in the world are not. It doesn't improve the Tesla brand/reputation when an event is scheduled for a specific time but never happens at the time. It would have been better to simply announce a start time of 12p PT/3p ET instead of 11p PT/2p ET. Not UPOD or OPUD, just "deliver what you promise when you promise" for a scheduled event.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

Planned frenzy last minute?

The stock price action literally right up to this event tells me that no matter what they announce, Wall St is going to make it so that this thing doesn't pop. There's no fear in Wall St of the price moving which when you own lots of shares for the sole purpose of controlling the stock(cough....T Rowe Price....cough), I guess there's a reason for them to feel that way

 

[MarcusMaximus]

No, just what is on the website. I could track the VINs but that is too much work. You have a good point, they could have received a shipment today so it is impossible to calculate sales without doing a lot more work. That is why I mentioned "it really doesn't mean much." I just figured I'd reply since I said I would to anyone interested.
It appears someone on another forum might be making tracking software. It wouldn't be too difficult to scrape the VIN numbers out of the HTML. It means nothing to overall sales as the cars they have may not be what people want.

Ah, ok. Sorry, didn’t mean to come off as challenging you, was just curious. Agreed that it’s an interesting data point, regardless(at the very least, we know they sold at least 10 of those specific cars in the last few days in that area).

 

[BOBTHEJOCKEY]

Planned frenzy last minute?

I think the longest wait was half hour so far.

 

[SOULPEDL]

Adjusting prez based on shiskakbob and fire?

 

[Nocturnal]

Did the FSD demo car catch fire?/????

 

[tivoboy]

when they totally cancel this event, it’s not going to look too good.

 

[tslalala]

In some ways I wish there was nothing announced about FSD until a scheduled, surprise event that blows everyone's minds and forces shorts to cover and cover hard by demonstrating a major FSD milestone. If we don't get sizzle and steak, the shorts will have a field day.

 

[oneday]

OT
While we are waiting, I want to wish you all:
Happy Earth Day Earthlings!

Consider donating a couple bucks to a rainforest charity.

 

[Mars ☰mperor]

Browsing tesla.com/model3 while waiting and saw this super-low quality photo


Seriously??? "original optimized.jpg" @ 59.72 KB
Oh come on!



I've got a better one from before, it's called "hero-high-viewport@2" @ 214KB, not great, but much better.

Take it, you are welcome, my dear Tesla

 

[erha]

Although we're used to "Elon-time", many in the world are not. It doesn't improve the Tesla brand/reputation when an event is scheduled for a specific time but never happens at the time. It would have been better to simply announce a start time of 12p PT/3p ET instead of of 11p PT/2p ET. Not UPOD or OPUD, just "deliver what you promise when you promise" for a scheduled event.

Actually, I think in many cases a delay on events like this can be exactly what you want. It builds anticipation and a little rage which is turned into excitement when the event finally starts. I think somebody told me that a well known leader in the 30s used this trick quite often. (Without any other similarities)

 

[ZachF]

I've automated my waiting process

 

[TradingInvest]

It's a "copy the incompetent" technique. It is literally impossible to make a good self-driving car this way.

Behavior cloning is fine. The problem is, quite specifically, whose behavior you're cloning; and who evaluates whose behavior you are cloning.

If you're going by "the majority of people on the road", well, we already know the majority of people on the road are bad drivers.


This is correct. Unfortunately, they're getting data from bad human driving, and then the data is being evaluated by bad human drivers.


That's all correct, but they're training it wrong. (To be clear about this, they're probably doing more or less OK on the vision / object identification stuff, it's the driving policy decision side I don't see any work on.)

To be clear, they can take the same neural network architecture and retrain it, probably in a matter of weeks, using competent people -- which may put them well ahead of any "competitors" -- but they haven't started yet.


As far as I can tell, he's totally unqualified to make those decisions. Zero qualification in his LinkedIn profile for making such decisions -- zero. They need someone who actually knows what the vehicle really ought to do, not some random engineer.

They're making path planning decisions based on "average driver behavior" (terrible), and the random whims and tastes of engineers at Tesla with no particular driving qualification (perhaps better but still very bad). That's just wrong. Hire some professionals to answer the path planning questions, and let the engineers stick to implementing it.

I don't think the field of safe driving commands huge salaries; Tesla should be able to afford a few specialists.

I don't agree that learning from average drivers, AI will become an average driver.

90% of road accidents are due to human error.
- text while driving
- drive under influence
- fall into sleep while driving
- change lane without looking at the blindspot
- drive through red light or stop signs
- speeding way above speed limit
- step on wrong pedal
......

When AI is trained by millions of average human drivers, it doesn't mean AI will make the same mistakes as listed above.

Also, when 10 out of 1000 drivers make a driving mistake in a particular situation, AI will learn from the 99%, not from the 1%.

I think down the road AI can be a lot safer at driving than human, even if they are trained by average drivers.

 

[elasalle]

Be like

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Hey AskDrStupid, time to tweet this directly to EM and Tesla

 

[Cherry Wine]

when they totally cancel this event, it’s not going to look too good.

IF they cancel, I agree. Huge negative catalyst.

 

[KarenRei]

Matt Joyce on Twitter

"Full self-driving demo ride #4!"

Gali got #2.

 

[joefee]

Although we're used to "Elon-time", many in the world are not. It doesn't improve the Tesla brand/reputation when an event is scheduled for a specific time but never happens at the time. It would have been better to simply announce a start time of 12p PT/3p ET instead of of 11p PT/2p ET. Not UPOD or OPUD, just "deliver what you promise when you promise" for a scheduled event.

I’ve been involved with Tesla events since my Sig deposit over a decade ago.... never on time...Elon is multitasking with no internal timetable limit... focus is on here and now issues exclusively!!!