Just a note: it’s irrational to look at the shares in groups by purchase price like that. The shares are essentially commodities, so no one is worth any more than any other. If you want to look at profit/loss on your shares, it’s only rational to look at average price paid vs current SP(though, really, even looking at the original price you paid is, in itself, irrational. All that matters is current SP and future expected SP curve)
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Just a note: it’s irrational to look at the shares in groups by purchase price like that. The shares are essentially commodities, so no one is worth any more than any other. If you want to look at profit/loss on your shares, it’s only rational to look at average price paid vs current SP(though, really, even looking at the original price you paid is, in itself, irrational. All that matters is current SP and future expected SP curve)
N5329K
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I like parentheses, too.I think you got two disagres due to your fancypants use of italics
Robin
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Let us not forget that a $53B valuation is still an absolute joke. We should be tickling $400 by the time we're approaching the 4Q call.
If you noticed, they're ALL reporters/anchors on set. ZERO analyst or company reps. I think/hope that most people realize that these TV "personalities" are just giving their opinions. You know, the English and Journalism majors...
yeah, how values a read from CAN buses , all values that have VAPI_ in front comes from gateway which talks to buses and broadcast it to car infotainment
It all available internally if you have root access to a vehicle
245 billion as of Q1 2019. That's an awful lot.
Apple now has $245 billion cash on hand, up 3% from previous quarter
I didn't start investing in TSLA because I thought I could sell at 300 for a small profit.
If I wanted that I would have stuck to index funds.
StealthP3D
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That "fine print" is essentially codified in Musk's compensation package. If he hits all the very ambitious production, profitability and share price targets specified in his compensation package he will be the most highly paid CEO in the history of the world. If the company stagnates, he gets nothing.
HG Wells
Martian Embassy
True, but if the TSLA share price rises enough to trigger Elon's compensation package, he might invest some of the proceeds in SpaceX to accelerate a Mars program.
larmor
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Better than parking profits in Ireland. And tesla pivots to energy distribution service (see new language on tesla solar)-- and may be with wireless energy transfer beams energy to mars via quantum photon teleportation.True, but if the TSLA share price rises enough to trigger Elon's compensation package, he might invest some of the proceeds in SpaceX to accelerate a Mars program.
Analysts need to (re)learn the fact that just as you do not judge Apple (Watch) by the standards that applied to Bulova and Timex, you cannot judge Tesla by the standards that applied to GM, Ford, FCA, etc.
I think to a large extent they are simply presenters reading paid programming. Two time Emmy award winning investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson, who after two decades quit her network job at CBS over this growing pay-for-play phenomena, has helped me see it that way. She’s written books and given talks largely on this subject.
... ouch. Congratulations, guys.
Kudos to you for being a good sport about it, and for seeking out a diversity of opinions, even though you ultimately went with your original choice.
I hope that this doesn't discourage you from taking part in the investment world!
StealthP3D
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For tax purposes, you need to look at the cost basis for whatever lot you are selling. In the US, if you don't specify which lot you are selling, it will be first in, first out.
But other than for tax purposes your cost basis has zero relevance. You own whatever you own. What you paid for it simply doesn't matter. But people, being humans, have emotions and they tend to measure their self-worth, their intelligence or whatever, by what they paid for something and whether it's worth more or less now. Absolutely understandable but idiotic and foolish nonetheless. Today, you own whatever you own. And since stocks that make sharp moves upward have a natural tendency to keep rising, it's generally a poor idea to sell just because a stock moved higher into a new trading range. And yet, that is what many do, being human and all, which is why we see this dip today. I have little doubt it will fill and continue to move higher in the coming weeks. All that matters from where you stand today is its performance going forward, not what you paid for it.
Carl Raymond
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At some point there comes a last chance to enter the “300 club”.
Good odds it’s today.
Edit: and reasonable odds it’s this hour
Good odds it’s today.
Edit: and reasonable odds it’s this hour
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Bean-counter Cook only looks at profit. Doing something new risks profit.
Pezpunk
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Imagine if Ford / GM / FCA owned not just the factories that make their cars, but also the oil wells, refineries, dealerships, gas stations, fuel distribution network, and insurance companies associated with their vehicles. That's a clue to Tesla's potential.
(And that doesn't even factor in the self-driving constellation of potential).
Fact Checking
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Ihor's latest note about the ongoing TSLA short squeeze:
S3 Analytics: Tesla Shorts Down $1.4 billion on Q3 Results – Shortsight.com
"We are expecting more short covering and the continuation of this long-term short squeeze as TSLA’s stock price continues to show strength. While longer term TSLA shorts may not feel this squeeze, shorter term shorts certainly are feeling the squeeze and buying to cover. TSLA shorts may, in reality, be truly bifurcated: the older shorts with much more conviction and staying power and the newer shorts who are more momentum based, more willing to exit a losing position. While the first group is realtively short squeeze impervious, the second group is much more susceptible to stock price based buying and selling."
"We are expecting more short covering and the continuation of this long-term short squeeze as TSLA’s stock price continues to show strength. While longer term TSLA shorts may not feel this squeeze, shorter term shorts certainly are feeling the squeeze and buying to cover. TSLA shorts may, in reality, be truly bifurcated: the older shorts with much more conviction and staying power and the newer shorts who are more momentum based, more willing to exit a losing position. While the first group is realtively short squeeze impervious, the second group is much more susceptible to stock price based buying and selling."
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