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Looks like there will be a lot of blame going around apparently via the NTSB

Have they investigated the accident that lead to the gore impact attenuator being collapsed in the first place? They're spending all this time investigating Tesla and Apple, but obviously it was an accident -prone area in the first place. Everyone is to blame except for the Transit agencies themselves :rolleyes:
 
Their logic is laughably bad.
  • By the SAE definitions, Tesla AP is a SAE Level 2 system
  • Tesla says the system is sufficient in its capabilities that users of the system are able to evaluate when it is suitable to use.
  • This claim is not consistent with the SAE Level 2 system
Well, NTSB, then it's not a SAE level 2 system. Your argument is circular.

More fundamentally, one cannot declare something, and have the mere act of the declaration change reality. I.e.: the SAE cannot, by virtue of creating an automation categorization system, change what real systems are actually capable of. SAE is not a coven of witches.
 
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Huh? Recommending automatically locking out texts, calls, and games while a car is in motion? So passengers can't use their phones in a car? Yeah, that'll go over well...

Every single day I see people on the freeway, usually in the left lane, who are obviously looking at their cell phones while driving. Most of the time they're holding up traffic because they are oblivious to people behind them, or refuse to move over because then they have to worry about cars on both sides.

It's an epidemic. Cell service providers and/or phone manufacturers need to implement technology that blocks drivers from using non-driving-related apps on their phones. Maybe allow just navigating apps, podcasts/audiobooks, etc. Passengers will just have to suck it up - most of us grew up without cell phones and somehow we all survived car rides in that era.

Unfortunately this is what it's come to, at least until FSD is completely driver-free.
 
God these NTSB guys are complete morons.

They want to have an app lock out phone usage when driving.... how exactly are they planning that lol. Sounds like the UK porn filter idea.
Certainly companies like Tesla/Apple/Samsung could be communicating and integrating far more safety feature beyond what is required at gunpoint. Any iphone detected in a Tesla could shut down features while the car is in motion.

I'm all for Elon pushing the envelope, and perhaps that's the "only way" we can make such rapid progress, but things like this and calling the driver assist "Autopilot(beta)" can easily be avoided.
 
God these NTSB guys are complete morons.

They want to have an app lock out phone usage when driving.... how exactly are they planning that lol. Sounds like the UK porn filter idea.

This is so simple. The carriers are the responsible ones. They know the devices are in moving vehicles and they can act on that knowledge but they don't. They are responsible IMO and have been for these thousands of deaths related to distracted driving.
 
There is a very interesting new article just published by InsideEV, a German engineering firm analyzed the Model Y cast frame structure and came away very impressed:

Tesla Model Y May Have Bigger Cast Parts Than Expected

“The casting process must be definitely very well advanced because the size and weight of the cast parts are beyond what is known from today’s auto parts. The process could be done with HPDC (High-Pressure Die Casting) on a cold chamber pressure casting machine with vacuum support to avoid casting defects such as pores, bubbles, cracks, etc.

Our rough assumption is that the rear structural part could weigh around 40 to 45 kg. As a reference: the cast rear long member of the Audi A8 is weighing approximately 10.5 kg.”

I.e. the Model Y is way beyond the current casting technologies of German automakers.

“For the rear body structure, we assume the closing force required would be above 6.000 metric tons. Usually, the maximum shot weight for aluminum alloy parts is around 10 kg, due to machine limitation in closing force capacity. The standard closing force is around 1.500 to 2.000 metric tons.

Only very few machine suppliers worldwide have the experience to build cold chamber casting machines with 4.000 or a maximum of 5.500 metric tons of closing force. Therefore, the machine at Tesla must be a special custom-build and quite gigantic.”

They estimate significant reduction in Body In White manufacturing time and costs:

“The body assembly shop most probably consists of two frame lines, two body side subassembly welding cells and a BIW (body-in-white) closure mounting and finish line. That would be roughly only 60 percent of a conventional body shop.

The total production time of a Model Y body-in-white compared to a conventional stamped steel body will be substantially lower. Considering the net process time for the underbody section, only the casting would eliminate between 1.000 to 1.500 weld spots, at 5 to 7 seconds each. That would total at an approximately 120-minutes net process time-saving.

If Tesla is able to manage the production process with high quality, production costs will be definitely lower than Model 3’s. Guess what would happen if the full-body frame casting machine would work as shown in their patent application…”

This means significantly higher margins on the Model Y - and also explains how Tesla was able to build the new Model Y body line in just a few months in the limited factory space of Fremont.
Bottom line: with Model Y Tesla is becoming the lowest cost highest quality car body maker. Lutz told couple times that Tesla has no advantage in anything compared to established manufacturers. At this point, we might just conclude the exact opposite especially that the VW ID3 problems show the importance of software. The only possible disadvantage remains: BEV technology has been more expensive than ICE tech. But that will flip with the next tech battery. And this will become clear by battery day.
 
Looks like there will be a lot of blame going around via the NTSB:

Apple Slammed on Cell-Phone Policy in NTSB Probe of Tesla Crash

Btw., up in smoke went the TSLAQ Hail Mary that the NTSB would recommend to the NTHSA to ban Autopilot. I think quite a few shorts hitched their wagons to that particular thesis today. Who is going to tell them? ;)

Instead the NTSB is recommending a smartphone ban within cars.

I expect Level 5 "you can sleep in your car while it's driving itself" FSD to arrive about a decade sooner than any legislation enacting technologically enforced nanny-state cell phone bans in cars.
 
This is so simple. The carriers are the responsible ones. They know the devices are in moving vehicles and they can act on that knowledge but they don't. They are responsible IMO and have been for these thousands of deaths related to distracted driving.
What about passengers, what about trains and buses... I think you and NTSB need to think things through a bit first :p
 
I wish people would stop wishing for the price to drop. It's nuts. The stock moves based on current news and macro news and perception, but it has no memory of what happened two days ago. The "dead cat bounce" is the only form of one-day memory, when a stock (or the market) drops a lot, it will often open up the following day from people looking for a bargain. Like today. But if you got your wish, and it dropped to $725, guess what? That's where it starts from the next day and the day after and...

The Market Has No Memory
I am doing investments and not "gambling", as what has been discussed heavily lately in this forum. I am a buy and hold, and add more shares where makes sense. I've already accumulated a lot, and new addition is opportunistic. For the record, I have not sold a single share of mine on the last few SP spikes. My wish is my wish. Nothing that I can drive the SP up or down anyway.