They should do some kind of scrapping scheme for owners of older VW’s - take an even more polluting car off the roads.
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They should do some kind of scrapping scheme for owners of older VW’s - take an even more polluting car off the roads.
Given that legacy car manufacturers are expected to make a profit, it's virtually impossible for them to really focus on BEVs because to do that requires serious dollars and commitment at the expense of profit for a decade or more. It doesn't help that their corporate culture and core competencies are all about ICE.
bhtooefr
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There are ways around that, presumably, to take examples from the US.
For instance, in the US, electric bicycles are legally regulated for sale by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, a federal agency. Because of that, no state can prevent them from being sold.
...but the moment you operate one on a public thoroughfare, you can be arrested for operating an unlicensed motor vehicle in a state that bans electric bicycles.
For a more to-the-point example in the EU, many cities have bans on older cars, which appear to be perfectly legal under EU law, even when the car is registered in another EU member state (requiring the owner to get certification from their destination to enter low emissions zones). So, you could do things like allow the sale of a ICE car - because you must under EU law - but not allow it to be registered for use on public roads, or declare the entire nation as a zero emissions zone - so you can register it, but you can't legally operate it anywhere in the nation.
Edit: Another tactic that might work is to forbid fuel stations from operating within the borders. You might still get ICE vehicles passing through, but they'll need enough fuel on board to make it to the next nation with fuel. And, it'll make it utterly impractical to operate one within the borders. (End edit.)
...but using AMG (Mercedes, so German) engines.
Per the settlement, they cannot legally export these vehicles without fixing them. And, given the cost of fixing a lot of the cars in their inventory, it would be cheaper for them to just buy older gasoline cars out of their dealers' inventory, than to fix the diesels.
Also, the emissions issues were not about particulates - the diesel particulate filters actually worked. They were about oxides of nitrogen, which are smog precursors.
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Wow! 369 Model 3 delivered in the Netherlands yesterday:
Elektrische auto verkoop statistieken
And FWIW Norway has been mostly LR lately so a good sign for the mix after it was mostly SR+ for a while. Deliveries are still around 80-90/day there.
Elektrische auto verkoop statistieken
And FWIW Norway has been mostly LR lately so a good sign for the mix after it was mostly SR+ for a while. Deliveries are still around 80-90/day there.
OK, at this point I think there is some internal competition to break the Norwegian records.There is still a long way to go to 551 though
President elect, Ursula von-der Leyen has nominated her Commissioners and we have a new portfolio - European Green Deal - with a Dutchman in charge. Good job it wasn't the German dude, eh?
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Fact Checking
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This would be much contentious politically: restricting new car sales doesn't bother the electorate as long as there's still other new cars to buy.
But taking away existing cars, which the ban of fuel stations would amount to? Pitchfork time!
Trying to influence new car sales via policy is the right approach IMHO, as it allows the grandfathering-in of the existing gas-car fleet (bought by consumers in good faith) while still guaranteeing an EV transition within the ~10 years of natural fleet turnaround time.
powertoold
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Almost all crossovers in the US are hatchbacks. Very obvious fact.
Crossover type vehicles sell very well in US.
JRP3
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Aren't hatchbacks are generally considered distinct from crossovers?
Um, yes. If we extrapolate the numbers we have we are at 109,500. I think 100k is extremely likely.
LN1_Casey
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Not if the customers are in Australia...HAH! That's NOTHING! During the livestream, Herbert Diess said that the ID.3 will reach customers in Spring 2019. LOL! That's a certifiably Drumpf-ian reality distortion field right there.
Cheers!
NannerAirCraft
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That's the third highest delivery day ever for Model 3 there and more than any day in all of Q2! September is gonna be huge. Also of note 234 of those 369 were LR AWD so good mix!
Mod: longstanding policy is that we don't discuss Fred/Electrek in this thread. Since people seem to have forgotten this, I have helpfully packaged the posts elsewhere for the moment. Any more such discussion here will be deleted. --ggr.
Anyone know if there was some specific china news about Tesla or electric cars in general just now? NIO did a similar jump at exactly the same time......though Nio stock didnt have the shenanigans to deal with that Tesla does. As soon as thoss big buy orders came in, 7 straight small sell orders followed.
Let's hope Norway also starts moving soon. Although being less dependent on Norway for good delivery numbers might actually be a good thing.
Just heard on German public radio that many manufacturers are staying away from Frankfurt Automobile fair (IAA) which is currently on. This made me curious as to whether Tesla is there - they used to hardly go to auto fairs. Not only are they there, but are also offering test drives: Tesla komplettiert den IAA-Test Drive
Interpret that whatever way you want.
Interpret that whatever way you want
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