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I actually don't wish I'd sold at 400, 300 etc. I really don't.

That would have given me the taste for it.

I might have been right this time... but next time I might get it seriously wrong. Watching that share price rocket away and not being onboard, desperately waiting for a downturn, watching it go higher and higher, would be the worst feeling ever. Much worse than currently being down a reasonable amount, but with complete conviction that all will be good.

I've always thought - what's worse - being down or not being up?!

Never sold a share and holding/buying. Who knows what the future holds - but I do believe that never selling/dividends/generational wealth is on the cards though. I'm not going to risk that for anything.
 
Tesla can’t say, they have no control over what occurs and when. Treasury (and worst case, the judicial/ legislative branches) do.
Tesla can say as a clarification after it happens.

I'm not asking for them to post now. I'm asking for them to post later and have the answer on file. I want a link to that answer on the ordering page so there is no confusion once the answer is known.
 
Everyone's always a genius when they are 'right', how many times are they wrong that you do not hear of? More times than right i would reckon. We ride the highs and ride out the lows, in the end, the good guys almost always win out. This is the risk i am willing to take.
So far this year, all of us who have held onto our shares have thought "we're right", but the price action (and my account totals) show that we have in fact been mostly wrong and not right. I'm pretty upset at myself for thinking I've been right when I was wrong this year with TSLA.
 
probably focusing more on Elon becoming a "centrist" which has been distorted into him becoming an extreme, right-wing Qanon person, which he actually has not, regardless of what mainstream media pushes
You don't need MSM to "push" anything, just read what he says and who he agrees with. It's not the "center" of anything.
 
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When the reasons Chicken gave for the price crashing were wrong, it's quite misguided to say he was right.

When you get the right answer on a math test, but the work you are required to show is wrong, you do not get credit for the right answer. And for a good reason.
Except it's a math test question with a few hundred thousand choices and he picked one and stuck to it with high conviction by even shorting the stock.

Yeah that's the odd of him getting the answer right by randomly guessing as I said, the more out of the money the higher the odds of him losing.
 
So far this year, all of us who have held onto our shares have thought "we're right", but the price action (and my account totals) show that we have in fact been mostly wrong and not right. I'm pretty upset at myself for thinking I've been right when I was wrong this year with TSLA.
This is what happens when you think 'short term', when in doubt..zoom out.
 
This is promising and reinforces the ramp up in Lathrop

This is good. We need more of these stealth surprises and confirmation that everything is moving full steam ahead at Tesla.
 
The rest of tech is still in a funk .... Elon's sales pushed this stock down below many technical levels and did much damage to it's chart. I'm not a chartist, I simply by and hold but there are plenty of people who watch these charts and buy/sell accordingly.

This pain is self-inflicted and will take a while for use to shake ..... if you have calls or margin, I wish you luck.
This is a troubling post for me to read. First, because TSLA is actually plotting a pattern on its chart that is in no way unique to oversold stocks/indexes during a market meltdown as we have seen this before and we are seeing it on other stocks right now. And secondly, because the bottom of the 2008/2009 meltdown of the DJI left the exact same pattern........one that was clear enough that I had called the bottom before-hand and acted accordingly.........and yet I did not act accordingly with my TSLA shares this time because I let all the 'noise' of life get in the way despite looking for a similar opportunity over the last decade. It should have been clear that we would be trading here, and I missed it. I will take the 'stoic' road as @Queeg500 often reminds us to do. It was MY fault that I didn't sell enough shares to put some more money on the sidelines when TSLA was grossly over-priced. It was MY fault that I didn't sell some shares on the way down when the rest of life was too noisy for me to pay closer attention, and when I thought TSLA as an ETF would outperform other stocks in a meltdown even though it doesn't pay a dividend. I will not be too proud to say Chicken Genius and others were right, and I was wrong. And I will also say that @TrendTrader007 is looking at some very relative data and sharing it with the rest of the board. And I won't point a finger at Elon and blame him for the actions I didn't take. And I certainly won't point a finger at Elon and blame him for a full market meltdown following a laundry list of items that are all individually bad for the market, and that were all put in the pot together at the same time with the flames on high........to include a 2 year global disruption of EVERYTHING at a time when the Market was massively inflated with the value of hindsight, an over-extended period of almost 0% interest followed by massive & rapid rate hikes, the largest transition of global energy sources, power, and wealth the world has ever seen. And of course the inevitable stagnation resulting from the end of 30+ years of US military involvement in the Middle East which had ramped to a $2+ Trillion per year expenditure for the last several administrations (think post-Vietnam on steroids here). No..............of course I am not going to point a finger at Elon for that.

Here is the chart for the DJI for the 2008/2009 crash:
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Here is TSLA today:
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And we might have just a little ways to go yet. But IF history repeats itself, that will be a quick dip, and TSLA should pop its head back above 200 again fairly quickly too.

For comparison, here is Amazon:
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As you can see, AMZN followed a similar pattern and it has already hit a point that would otherwise look like it could only be a random point on the chart until you compared it to the 2007/2008 DJI drop

And here is Netflix:
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Interestingly, NFLX go hit harder and faster than Amazon or Tesla, and it hit its support back in June. But it got beat down in exactly the same way.

I don't want to muddy the waters of this post with my thoughts on how and why there is so much noise around Elon at the moment and how BIG that fight really is (save that for a separate post that is long overdue). I just want to get this out there to show that TSLA is not in any way trading in an unprecedented manner, and that several other BIG stocks are trading in exactly the same way..........without any involvement in Twitter, or any claims that their Boards should be acting in a different manner, etc. It is under circumstances like these that we should all be paying closer attention to the source of some of the noise that caused us to miss some massive opportunities............you know, like doubling the amount of shares you own. And it is during times like these that we need to make those examinations void of Cognitive Dissonance to the best of our abilities. For instance........I have long enjoyed Ross Gerber. Yet, if I had been pouring through all of my old trading notes instead of watching Ross drink Teslaquilla on YouTube while telling the World we should be buying TSLA all the way through the stock price slide because he had it all figured out, I would be in a much better position now. So what does that say about Ross' character that he is now pointing a finger at Elon and the TSLA board instead of looking at the other 3 fingers pointing back at himself. We all make mistakes. But how much we improve going forward is dependent upon how much reflection we have on ALL of the surrounding events, and on our ability to have some accountability for the things that were in our power to notice and to change.

I predict this post will become extremely relevant at the end of another 10-12 year cycle.

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I am not a huge chartist, but a big believer in flows. Elon selling triggered a significant amount of puts going in the money and in a stock like Tesla, that has a way of perpetuating itself.

Now that begets additional selling until we get a week or so of an upward trend. There needs to be a catalyst for this, like big name buying in. (Icahn, etc?). Or a buy back, or an unexpectedly good p&d.

The probability of something like that happening increases with SP going down more, where investors get interested or the bar gets lower for what's a good p&d. We're at levels perhaps consistent with a 400k delivery, but who knows.

one thing to watch out for could be the Jan leaps expiry. When a lot of these puts get wiped away, the slate is somewhat cleaner. Folks closing these down in early Jan could be a trigger for better price action in new year. Let's see.
 
Yes I am now $5m underwater

I am trying to work out what I am missing, and I cannot come up with a good answer. The only scenario really is if everyone thinks that there is no longer a growing market for Teslas, and there is really no good evidence for that.

At $133, we will have dropped two thirds, And $400bn market cap at roughly $20bn annualized profit for Q4 = P/E of 20. Which is unheard of for a company with no debt and growing even moderately, never mind at 50%+ each year.

I am at 81,000 shares. I am making a plan now to bring this up to 100,000 within the next month if the share price doesnt recover
I took delivery of MY in Feb of this year, and while I know I am in Teslafornia, I *routinely* am on the road or highway with 3 or 4 other Teslas, sometimes more. I’ve lately been noticing a lot of license plates more recent than mine, so I do not think things are slowing down at all. HODLing (Painfully).
 
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Anyone given any thought to the possibility this huge bear raid is just to lower buy in prices for hedge funds once Moody's upgrades their rating?

The funds waiting for the green light to buy wouldn't want to pay inflated prices, they'd want to buy as low as possible. And according to Tesla Momma, Moody's usually changes their ratings at year's end, a bit over a week from now.

Could this bear raid simply be a coordinated effort to prep TSLA for the waiting funds to start accumulating? 🤔