Waymo seems to be navigating this fairly successfully so far.
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insaneoctane
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Buzz kill. First one I've seen anyway. Oh well...Tesla has been hiring test drivers like these for roughly 2 years at least- report from back about that far here, so nothing really new:
Tesla is now looking to hire self-driving car test drivers around the world
Do you want to work for Tesla remotely and test its latest Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features? You may be...electrek.co
That's terrible, I hope other states don't do this as well. We need to encourage the transition away from oil, NOT discourage it.
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FWIW Waymo has vastly less exposure to the risk than a works-anywhere-all-roads-all-speeds robotaxi system would.
Not 2 pages ago we had someone post a "Look how much longer it takes Waymo to get to a place than FSDb took"- and part of that is specifically because of how risk-adverse Waymos ODD, routing, top speed, etc are in comparison.
Mind you- they've yet to remotely approach being profitable with their path- but they're pretty clearly putting a lot of consideration into keeping their risk profile as narrow as possible for this stuff too even at cost of speed, efficiency, widespread use, etc....
It's a gift to auto dealers and fossil fuel interests. They know what they are doing but will hide behind "oh but someone needs to pay for muh roads".
(let's not point out that tax revenue is fungible and only 26% of road spending is covered by fuel taxes)
States earmark most of their motor fuel tax revenue for transportation spending. In 2020, state and local motor fuel tax revenue accounted for 26 percent of highway and road spending. Toll facilities provided another 9 percent and the remaining 65 percent came from other revenue sources.
Whenever Toyota claims there "aren't enough resources" for BEV's to be the only option, what they REALLY mean is there aren't enough resources for Toyota, mainly because they've been so slow to adopt BEV's and plan / setup their supply chains.
If they stick to this "plan" they will be one of the legacy automakers which fade away into obscurity by the disruption.
Makes me wonder how long it will be before Tesla takes ownership of the driving task at highway speeds when companies like Waymo won't even attempt it despite already operating driverless on urban streets. It's an interesting dynamic when you think about it if Level 3 or below functionality is easier to achieve on highways than city streets but maybe Level 4 or above functionality is easier to achieve on city streets than highways because the lower speeds mean less risk of severe outcomes in accidents.
Interesting changes in Ford driver assist pricing...
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Ford quadruples BlueCruise subscription price to $800/year, and owners are not happy
Ford has announced a significant price increase for its hands-free highway driving system BlueCruise for Mustang Mach-E owners. The announcement was shared on the Mach-E forum earlier this month and the changes have not gone […]
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Shouldn't Waymo be getting "good" at the Phoenix area by now? Seems like they should be showing mastery of **something**, either expanding to a lot more places, or just getting really good at the places where it has been around for 5+ years.
FSD is in its own perpetual "requires a driver" jail, but at least it's gotten a lot better within those constraints.
And still sticking to Toyota "seeks to sell 1.5 million battery-powered cars by 2026" Assuming they mean by the end of 2025, that means, if split evenly, they only plan on selling ~500k per year. Yeah, that isn't really an aggressive plan.
And on top of that it seems like that is going to be with 10 different BEV models. So only ~50k of each model per year? There wouldn't seem to be any volume/cost efficiency there. (And even more so those BEVs might be just jamming batteries/motors into existing ICE models/platforms, making them less than ideal.)
Tesla doesn't need to worry about any competition coming from Toyota...
Someone who uses the service, feel free to correct me here... Doesn't Blue Cruise do a lot less than basic Autopilot? Like very limited geofenced area of operation?Interesting changes in Ford driver assist pricing...
Ford quadruples BlueCruise subscription price to $800/year, and owners are not happy
Ford has announced a significant price increase for its hands-free highway driving system BlueCruise for Mustang Mach-E owners. The announcement was shared on the Mach-E forum earlier this month and the changes have not gone […]
^Yes.
Waymo hasn't proven that their system is even a valid business. Feels like Google's standard playground side project model.
Exactly right. If it was about fairness, they'd remove the gas tax and put the same charge structure on all vehicles. Either the annual flat fee, or a mileage & weight calculation, or something.
Of course, that wouldn't fly because it would look like a new cost to everybody.
As it stands now, the law basically says: "Hey gas-driving majority! You heard that those dirty hippy commie electric cars cost less to drive, and their drivers are so smug, and we know you think it's not fair...so watch us really stick it to 'em!"
If this doesn't get fixed, just give it some time, and as EV drivers and Tesla factory workers continue to become an ever-larger voting block, the politicians will lose considerable votes and be forced to change.
Yes, but it is hands-off, at least in some sections of the highways it supports. (Maybe most?)
That question highlighted yet again Gary’s lack of understanding of Tesla. This is from a guy that puts zero value on FSD. Not sure why people even show this guy any f’ing attention.
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