Adds to my feelings of cynical and jaded.No mention of brands, except Fisker. Still, this reliability problem is at the root of the pullback in EVs from most of the brands trying to find a place in the new world of electrification.
That is a big part of why "EV demand is down" for so many of them. They are a decade or more behind the curve and don't have the technical acumen that Tesla has established in this space.
Consumer Reports finds EVs are less reliable than ICE cars: survey
A Consumers Reports survey finds electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than internal-combustion-engine (ICE) cars.www.teslarati.com
I dare say that if they had mentioned Tesla, it would have been to show them as the outlier. The one whose products are reliable and whose customers are satisfied with the brand to a significant degree more than others which Con-Reports neglected to mention by name.
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Lots of people buy the more expensive version of a vehicle, even if the practical benefit is small. It makes them feel special. And 500 miles vs. 300-350 will appeal to many IMO. Also higher trims are more profitable. If Tesla doesn't offer a 500 mile version from the start, the reason would be a manufacturing issue such as not enough 4680's.
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2daMoon
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"Lots" is questionable. As a percentage of auto purchasers these will not be a majority, and they may have to wait to buy that version of the CT.
The first run of vehicles should be a version produced for the larger consumer group who are made up of early adopters who don't have this need to own the most expensive version of the vehicle. This is a group who will be ecstatic over getting a CT with adequate range for the majority of applications.
I'm not so sure about that. For the CR survey, every software glitch counts against the score. I'm sure plenty of Tesla users have experienced some sort of software problem, even if it's just "the car doesn't recognize my phone sometimes" or "auto wipers are acting weird".No mention of brands, except Fisker. Still, this reliability problem is at the root of the pullback in EVs from most of the brands trying to find a place in the new world of electrification.
That is a big part of why "EV demand is down" for so many of them. They are a decade or more behind the curve and don't have the technical acumen that Tesla has established in this space.
Consumer Reports finds EVs are less reliable than ICE cars: survey
A Consumers Reports survey finds electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than internal-combustion-engine (ICE) cars.
I dare say that if they had mentioned Tesla, it would have been to show them as the outlier. The one whose products are reliable and whose customers are satisfied with the brand to a significant degree more than others which Con-Reports neglected to mention by name.
The problem with the CR survey is that it doesn't measure mechanical reliability. An ICE car is a lot more likely to break down and leave you stranded. An ICE car is more likely to have something break that costs a lot to fix.
But with CR's methodology, a software-centric car is penalized because such a car will inherently lead to more bugs.
CR's methodology is very outdated given the EV market. However I'm not sure if that is an oversight or on purpose to push an agenda?
Either way I no longer pay any attention to them, they've lost relevancy for me.
The DealBook Summit was Elon at his best—this is the Elon I know and love, and in part why I invest in TSLA. All he was saying is that it angers him when people act all kind and nice and anti-discriminatory when really they’re just the opposite—all virtue signaling without the actual virtue, all hopey-changey talk followed up by bad actions. And he thinks many people, with their boots firmly planted on Earth, can also see through the BS.
We observe this BS played out in multi-national corporations, in advertising, Wall Street, national politics, internet, etc, every single day. The simulacrum of kindness/morality/justice is not kindness/morality/justice, no matter how the silly million-dollar advertisements, TV shows and movies try to spin the narrative. It cracks me up to hear the wailing, “Oh that horrible Elon dropping F-bombs! Oh, the humanity! What will the children think!” This is the sort of nonsense Elon’s referring to. Good grief. If you don't like how the world is, stop the whiny virtue signaling, get off your butt and go out and try to change it.
Sign me up for another 25 TSLA shares. Just because Elon made me chuckle.
We observe this BS played out in multi-national corporations, in advertising, Wall Street, national politics, internet, etc, every single day. The simulacrum of kindness/morality/justice is not kindness/morality/justice, no matter how the silly million-dollar advertisements, TV shows and movies try to spin the narrative. It cracks me up to hear the wailing, “Oh that horrible Elon dropping F-bombs! Oh, the humanity! What will the children think!” This is the sort of nonsense Elon’s referring to. Good grief. If you don't like how the world is, stop the whiny virtue signaling, get off your butt and go out and try to change it.
Sign me up for another 25 TSLA shares. Just because Elon made me chuckle.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
All valid points.
Hense the use of Tesla's recalls (often remedied by over the air updates) flagrantly employed in attempts to disparage the company in the popular media for years.
This should also be tempered by the fact one or more persons from the Ford Foundation (completely private, neither affiliated nor aligned with the auto company
) hold positions of influence at Consumer Reports.
cliff harris
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Agreed 100%. I see this in apple all the time. They go to great lengths to have super-diverse advertisements, and try to come across as caring and happy and trustworthy, while all the time going to gargantuan effort to avoid taxes, lock-in their customers, and outsource all of their manufacturing to the cheapest possible factories in China. They probably assume nobody ever sees through their 'public' face.
I'm an ex apple engineer. My phone is a samsung...
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"We're gonna win so much you're gonna get tired of winning"
"We're gonna win so much you're gonna get tired of winning"
I've found CR has been consistently wrong since the seventies. They are there mostly to support the "industry", which most high end products are not part of.CR's methodology is very outdated given the EV market. However I'm not sure if that is an oversight or on purpose to push an agenda?
Either way I no longer pay any attention to them, they've lost relevancy for me.
I would bet this is true, Elon has tweeted this about Tesla music volume going to 11. So expect 325mi range. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1313258373031309312?s=46&t=2IHyuGb0eaevgGCCKEOOogUnless that scale goes to 11... ala 'Spinal Tap'.
Cheers!
Fwiw, the stock price is basically the same as it was when TSLA was included in the S&P 500 nearly three years ago.
Do not despair. The cynicism and jadedness are just part of the grieving process. In time (assuming you live long enough) you will let go of the toxic childhood fairytales of truth, justice and the American way, and accept the world simply for what it is: fraud and folly. You must accept so that you can survive. And once the proper mental models for survival are solidly in place, you can win. And winning and happiness are everything.
It’ll get better (again, assuming the cynicism and jadedness don’t kill you first).
“Accept without resentment whatever may befall.” --Marcus Aurelius Antoninus
FTFYCR's methodology is very outdated given the EV market. However I'm not sure if that is an oversight or on purpose to push an agenda?
Either way I no longer pay any attention to them, they've lostrelevancycredibility for me.
I think this could be the tipping point that determines if the share price will go up or down. 300 we go down, 325 we go up.
Someone in between the two extremes would be the best choice imo.
Somebody should see if the CT radio volume does, like it does on the cars...Unless that scale goes to 11... ala 'Spinal Tap'.
Cheers!
Buckminster
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And here comes the UAW..............They will have the media and White House backing. Not saying they will succeed but it will be more nasty stories in the media.
UAW launches sweeping bid to organize Tesla and the 'entire nonunion auto sector' in U.S. - Autoblog
The United Auto Workers union said on Wednesday it is launching a first-of-its-kind push to publicly organize the entire nonunion auto sector in the U.S. after winning new contracts with the Detroit Three automakers.www.autoblog.com
Scroll down, Tesla is mentioned.
In other news, the Mafia has decided to organize garbage collection nationwide.
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