Thanks for the update. So not only does this benefit the dealerships and their monopoly, but they are also helping the oil companies by not providing rebates to customers who want to buy an EV. NOT. COOL. Another reason this state is ass-backwards.
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Thanks for the update. So not only does this benefit the dealerships and their monopoly, but they are also helping the oil companies by not providing rebates to customers who want to buy an EV. NOT. COOL. Another reason this state is ass-backwards.
supersnoop
Tesla Roadster #334
I don't think you understand the rebate. It only applies to cng and plug-in vehicles. How does that help "the oil companies?"
It's indirect really. I will be buying a car in the next 2-3 years and I will need all the help I can get if I want to be able to buy an EV. I do just fine financially, but we are tight since we just bought my wife a new car because her's went kaput. Soooooo, if I'm not able to get these rebates the auto manufactures talk about to lower the price, then I will be stuck with having to buy another ICE. Therefore, I am still stuck on oil. California gives up to $10,000 in rebates unlike here.
bollar
Disgruntled Member
More than half of our grid is powered by natural gas, so oil and gas producers get their share, regardless of the type of car. Some might argue natural gas is better for O&G since its domestically produced.
supersnoop
Tesla Roadster #334
So, you're saying that a $2,500 rebate is going to push you from a $75-100k car and force you into something you'll be "stuck with?" Despite the fact you can get that rebate on a whole host of other vehicles locally, which all cost dramatically less?
I'm thinking more about the Model 3. Any rebates are great if it can push down that $35,000 projection. And why does Texas have such strict laws on rebates vs. CA? Only thing I can think of is because we are an oil state....
Danal
electricmotorglider.com
I'd be very curious to be a fly on the wall when that "...no factory direct..." was written. The net effect is to provide a rebate for Nissan/VW/BMW vehicles, and disallows a rebate for Tesla. Yeah, it allows rebate for GM PHEV and EV when they ship, but the vast majority of EV sales right now, and the announced models make it look like sales will continue to be, from non-US makers.
My point being: Us "Good 'ol boy Texans" are certainly Texans FIRST, but we also tend to be rather fiercely American. I wonder if the corrupt jerks who wrote this realized at the time that they wrote it that it gives rebates to goll-darn FOREIGNERS and keeps the rebates from GOOD RED BLOODED AMERICANS!
My point being: Us "Good 'ol boy Texans" are certainly Texans FIRST, but we also tend to be rather fiercely American. I wonder if the corrupt jerks who wrote this realized at the time that they wrote it that it gives rebates to goll-darn FOREIGNERS and keeps the rebates from GOOD RED BLOODED AMERICANS!
Not to make excuses for it, but when the law was written in 2013 there were no BMW or VW electric vehicles. It applies to any electric or CNG vehicle sold in the state. Whether anyone was trying to exclude Tesla by using that language, or no one ever considered that there is one EV that people buy but is not "sold" in the state, we'll probably never know.
Danal
electricmotorglider.com
Very hard to believe anyone would ADD language to exclude something that they didn't know existed.
There is no reason to think anyone added any language, unless you know otherwise. It's not even clear the intent was to exclude something. The language of the bill refers to cars sold in the state. It was an environmental bill, about the emissions reduction plan. Obviously it would have been better if the bill said registered in the state rather than sold in the state, but it's not clear this was for nefarious purposes or if no one on the environmental committee considered there were electric vehicles bought by Texans that weren't "sold" in the state.
Danal
electricmotorglider.com
This is a copy/paste (with the red being mine) from a state-issued PDF regarding which vehicles do/don't qualify:
1.6 REQUIREMENTS Additional criteria that apply are discussed below.
a. The vehicle must be purchased or leased from a licensed new vehicle dealer or leasing company in Texas. Vehicles purchased directly from the manufacturer or an out-of-state dealer not licensed to sell or lease new vehicles in Texas are not eligible for a rebate.
That's one example, there are plenty of others... but let's dissect just this one for a moment. Let's ditch the term "added" so we don't get into a nomenclature discussion.
Instead, let me phrase the question this way: Why does the sentence in red exist? For that matter, why are the words "from a licensed new vehicle dealer or leasing company" stated? Why not just "The vehicle must be purchased in Texas". There is already a clear legal definition for both "purchased" and "in Texas" that serves every other bit of legal language in the Texas code. Why specify any additional phrasing or scope? Why mention "Dealers", "Leasing Companies" and "Manufacturers" at all?
This was intentional.
purplewalt
Active Member
When I listen to the drivel that comes out of a local car dealer's mouth, he keeps stressing that it is "illegal" to purchase the car in Texas.
Harrummggff.
If it is illegal, why did the STATE gladly take the sales tax, or gladly inspect it, or gladly sell me license tags?
Baby-cakes is mad because he didn't get his way?
He actually WANTS to sell the car, and he is being cut out of his 15%-20% mark-up.
He doesn't want to learn anything about the car, just sell it. As a commodity.
Its as simple as that.
He is just so mad, he want to have a stroke.
New Car dealers are a business, nothing more, nothing less. They sell cars and anything that potentially takes money away from them is frowned upon.
Good-Old Boys car dealers group put a lot of their cash into legislators POCKETS to get the rules written specifically as they wanted,
This will probably end up in court one day.
A very big court.
If Apple and Amazon can sell direct, why can't a car company?
No. It has nothing to do with oil companies at all.
It IS providing a rebate to ALL OTHER customers of EVs, just not Tesla. Ok, VERY SPECIFICALLY Tesla; so Ford, Nissan, and a few others are getting it. So direct your anger at TADA and their paid for legislators. Don't get distracted.
Model S M.D.
Ludicrous Radiologist
First post! I'm a fellow Texan and will be ordering my Model S soon. Is there any update to the Texas registration process, especially since our inspection and registration are now on one sticker? I've read through 100s of pages of threads over the last few days...Thanks in advance
First post! I'm a fellow Texan and will be ordering my Model S soon. Is there any update to the Texas registration process, especially since our inspection and registration are now on one sticker? I've read through 100s of pages of threads over the last few days...Thanks in advance
It's fairly simple. The only times you might have some trouble is right after you receive it. The Tesla dealer registration is a tiny piece of paper that sticks onto the rear glass. Even though Texas a reciprocity agreement with California, the Texas police officers and highway patrol don't know about it (or don't like it). So you might get pulled over for not having a proper dealer tag in the rear license plate. I never did though.
Otherwise, Tesla will FedEx you some paperwork well before your delivery date to sign and FedEx back. Then before you take delivery, they will FedEx you another package that contains your application for a title and the temporary registration. You just take this down to your local tax office (along with your checkbook of course) and pay your fee and apply for your tags. Be prepared for a wide-eyed clerk when they look over your application.
reddy
Active Member
Good point about the combo sticker.
My Tesla was delivered without an inspection sticker, so the sequence now would need to be:
1) get car insured, and the insurance proof in hand
2) get car inspected if not already done at service center. (I used Jiffy Lube :wink: )
3) Get car titled and registered at county office, with inspection and insurance papers in hand
My Tesla was delivered without an inspection sticker, so the sequence now would need to be:
1) get car insured, and the insurance proof in hand
2) get car inspected if not already done at service center. (I used Jiffy Lube :wink: )
3) Get car titled and registered at county office, with inspection and insurance papers in hand
I took delivery of mine at the Austin Service Center in June of 2015. Tesla had already had the car inspected and the certificate was in the glove box.
I would say at this point your Delivery Specialist is going to be your best resource. They've been through the process in Texas many times now. Depending on how you arrange financing, you may also find that your bank or credit union has some Tesla experience.
You'll get the VIN before delivery; once you have that you can add the car to your insurance. As long as you have the insurance, inspection certificate, and application for title (FedExed from Tesla) you shouldn't have any trouble at the title office. Be prepared to write a check for sales tax and the registration fee at the title office.
Nobody gave me any trouble about the California temporary registration in the rear window.
Welcome, and enjoy your new car!
I would say at this point your Delivery Specialist is going to be your best resource. They've been through the process in Texas many times now. Depending on how you arrange financing, you may also find that your bank or credit union has some Tesla experience.
You'll get the VIN before delivery; once you have that you can add the car to your insurance. As long as you have the insurance, inspection certificate, and application for title (FedExed from Tesla) you shouldn't have any trouble at the title office. Be prepared to write a check for sales tax and the registration fee at the title office.
Nobody gave me any trouble about the California temporary registration in the rear window.
Welcome, and enjoy your new car!
Model S M.D.
Ludicrous Radiologist
Thanks so much for the advice everyone!
@Wart So your car was inspected in California? The Texas title office was okay with that? (Just want to make sure I don't need to get another inspection in Texas if I don't have to)
@Wart So your car was inspected in California? The Texas title office was okay with that? (Just want to make sure I don't need to get another inspection in Texas if I don't have to)
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