McHoffa
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The Bolt seats are awful. My 2013 Leaf feels better.
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The Automobile 2.0: Chevrolet Bolt EV vs Nissan LEAF vs Tesla Model 3 Long Range
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McHoffa
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It does if you have a smartphone. CarPlay and Android Auto are really useful. Not enough to buy a Bolt over a Model 3 though!Hopefully when the short range Model 3 comes out, they'll do just that. Plan a 500 mile route with all three vehicles and let the on-board route planners figure out the best routes using the available fast charging infrastructure. That will paint a very clear picture of the big differences between the vehicles (especially since the Bolt doesn't have navigation).
But...the Bolt does have Carplay and Android Auto....and a heated steering steel.Hopefully when the short range Model 3 comes out, they'll do just that. Plan a 500 mile route with all three vehicles and let the on-board route planners figure out the best routes using the available fast charging infrastructure. That will paint a very clear picture of the big differences between the vehicles (especially since the Bolt doesn't have navigation).
Edit: ^^...what he said.
Yeah ... I'm pretty disappointed that it appears the Model 3 will not have a heated steering wheel.
McHoffa
CyberOwners
I'm still saying there aren't all that many people taking those trips, by the numbers, or they're so uncommon they could easily rent a car for it. Most people who say "I need the range" are lying to others and themselves, just like the people who claim "I need AWD" when snow tires are what they should be buying for their urban winter driving, or buy an SUV because "I need to tow!" when they borrow a boat once every two summers.
Are there people who legitimately need these things? Yes. But most of them are just too cowardly to admit they just want to buy the thing because they like it. Or they're brainwashed and stupid.
McHoffa
CyberOwners
I do need the range. My Leaf is great most of the time but a few times it’s been a pain in the butt. Range anxiety is real.
Sure, I could rent a car twice a year for our family trips, and multiple other times throughout the year when we take off for the weekend to visit friends. But that’s more expense, and more inconvenience, going out of my way to pick up and drop off the car... I want to drive my own car.
...and then the fact that since I got my Leaf 18 months ago I hate driving my wife’s ICE car. I wouldn’t want to rent a noisy ICE for our long trips. I am ready for an EV for that (plus autopilot) and Tesla is my only option.
I don’t NEED the Model 3, or any new car, but if I’m going to buy a new car it’s going to be one that can be our primary car and be a car I actually want. Otherwise I’d just consider a slightly used accord or something when my wife’s car needed to be replaced.
Totally fair. I don't need a new car, I just want one. I don't *need* the range but I'll use it a fair bit because I skydive and the dropzones aren't particularly close, but my commute is only 22mi round trip (in heavy, soul sucking traffic where I wish ill upon strangers).
As for the car itself… I won't buy one with front wheel drive, one without full stop-and-go adaptive cruise control, one that looks like a weirdo derp pod, one that's slower than my current car (0-60 in 5.9), or any number of other immediate "nope" situations. That leaves a pretty small list for me (basically the A4 Prestige trim, and the Model 3), and I'm in a place in my life where I can afford to buy the version I actually want, so I basically will (I actually want AWD but I'm not willing to wait for it. This wait is killing me as it is).
vjlvjl
Bluebird
My wife has been driving a SUV for the last 20+ years. Whenever she replaces one SUV for another, I encourage her to consider a non-SUV vehicle because "honey, you're really not using the SUV for what it can do". Her answer is always the same - "So? I am buying the SUV because I like that SUV". And I say Yes Ma'am!
I find car reviews and comparisons to be somewhat educational. But I have yet to buy a top rated car because of the score it's received. So, I welcome the reviews and comparisons, but I'm gonna buy the car I get attached to - damn the reviews.
I find car reviews and comparisons to be somewhat educational. But I have yet to buy a top rated car because of the score it's received. So, I welcome the reviews and comparisons, but I'm gonna buy the car I get attached to - damn the reviews.
Motor Trend found the Model 3's rear seats the most uncomfortable of the 3 cars. No wai!
Good thing I'll never sit back there. If people in the back don't like the seats, they can drive on their own.
Sounds like the 3 wouldn't be a very good road trip car for 4 adults then? Is that what you're saying?
I'm sure it's fine if they aren't giants or crybabies. No idea though, the idea of a road trip with 4 adults in a midsize sedan sounds hellish to me.
JohnSnowNW
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I must have missed where they said the Model 3 had an uncomfortable back seat...
Though someone did seem to think the Bolt's front seats were uncomfortable:
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
I doubt that my case is so unusual. I have a 250 mile drive as often as once a week. Car rental once or twice a year -- sure.
Every week ? Not if I can help it.
I would need to rent a car for at least six long weekends per year, which gets expensive quickly, especially when renting Teslas because I don't want to drive a fossil. The annual rental fees over the course of a five year car loan would be more than the cost of upgrading to a long range battery.
I've been doing these road trips in a 2012 Passat TDI, which has awesome rear seats for adults. I've been disappointed with the rear seats in the S, so my hope is that the Model 3's rear seats are an improvement over that, but I don't expect them to be as good as the Passat. For road trips, a 6-seat X would be ideal, but that really isn't in the budget.
These long weekend road trips are typically 1,000 miles or more. We frequently travel from DC to Michigan, Ohio and New England. We'd also like to do some cross-country trips in our Model 3. Our Passat has been from DC to Seattle twice and just about everywhere else in between.
I've been doing these road trips in a 2012 Passat TDI, which has awesome rear seats for adults. I've been disappointed with the rear seats in the S, so my hope is that the Model 3's rear seats are an improvement over that, but I don't expect them to be as good as the Passat. For road trips, a 6-seat X would be ideal, but that really isn't in the budget.
These long weekend road trips are typically 1,000 miles or more. We frequently travel from DC to Michigan, Ohio and New England. We'd also like to do some cross-country trips in our Model 3. Our Passat has been from DC to Seattle twice and just about everywhere else in between.
McHoffa
CyberOwners
The Bolt’s front seats are terrible (as noted in the article). Back seats are roomy and a lot of head room but nothing great. Just better than the front.
And next month on the cover of Motor Trend: 2000 Ford Fiesta VS 2017 BMW 3 series.
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