I thought the back up camera is standard by 2017?
I think I missed it but when did he say it will be the best vehicle one could buy for 35k? I know Elon said even at base model it will be a compelling car.
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I think I missed it but when did he say it will be the best vehicle one could buy for 35k? I know Elon said even at base model it will be a compelling car.
At the "reveal" -
"Even if you get no options, this will be the best car you can buy,"
Does that mean all standard equipment for M3 will be equal to MS?
I guess the real question is what will be standard and what will be optional, not whether we would be willing to pay for them.
ZAKEEUS
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I did a quick Google search to make sure of the year, everything says 2018. It may have been pushed back
Yah I think it's 2017. That's why I put 500 which is for the parking sensors. Right now back up cameras are 1000-1500 for premium brands.
ZAKEEUS
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ZAKEEUS
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Backup camera mandate boosts suppliers
"Automakers will be required to have compliant rearview systems in 10 percent of the vehicles they build from May 1, 2016, to May 1, 2017. That share rises to 40 percent for the next year and 100 percent starting on May 1, 2018."
I would guess Tesla is just gonna make it standard, the 15" screen is already standard.
"Automakers will be required to have compliant rearview systems in 10 percent of the vehicles they build from May 1, 2016, to May 1, 2017. That share rises to 40 percent for the next year and 100 percent starting on May 1, 2018."
I would guess Tesla is just gonna make it standard, the 15" screen is already standard.
I guess with the information that we have: "best car you can buy for $35k" could mean a lot of different things. One could argue (like you mentioned it) has the better drivetrain when compared to ICE cars but it could also mean it has the same level of equipment as a $35k BMW.
I wouldn't interpret it that way. I'd interpret it to mean, more generally, that the Model 3 will have more value per dollar compared to any other car you will be able to buy when it goes on sale. A lot of this value will come from standard features which will be as good as or better than those found on other cars.
Pretty Much.
It is going to take time for most of the old timers to get the idea that the Model 3 is essentially replacing the Model S. Tesla's budget car will be the model 2, which comes after 2020.
Tesla originally said that the model 3 was a steel budget car. That is obviously not what Tesla revealed. But few who paid $100K for the MS want to see the obvious.
I sure some original Roadster owners clung to the idea of the superiority of their very expensive tiny car.
I dont think the interior quality will be up to BMW level and features will be missing too (I guess it cant offer every sinlgle feature available from every single car) just like Model S isnt comparable (according to some owners) to BMW 5 series or whatever
JeffK
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I'm not sure how reliable BMW owners are. A great many BMW owners call their cars "beemers" because they're morons...
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
I agree. $60,000 BMW 5 has an interior that puts the model S to shame. From the pictures at the reveal that disparity in internal craftsmanship won't be changing with the Model 3.
I think that to simplify production a lot of features will be in the cars as they roll off and activated by software upgrades. I could see that with not only things like supercharging but things like comfort access and seat warmers too.
EM might say that the M3 will be the best $35,000 car you can buy but that doesn't make it true. EM is a salesman and his job is to sell you on the car.
Having said that I think that the car will offer a few innovative features at its price point and certainly Tesla won't be nickel and diming over $15 features like BT.
Expect option packages for things like upgraded interior, sub zero winter pkg or AWD and a few expensive add ons like adaptive headlights or auto pilot.
Getting the car with premium interior and a better battery might be enough to get it to an average $42,000 selling price.
ucmndd
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Even Kias have standard Bluetooth these days. Not a chance that isn't a standard feature on a $35k car.
While I agree it will come standard, there are a few features that are standard on cheap cars that Model S doesnt offer (or didnt offer until recently (4th yr into production). Namely, coat hanger (do expensive cars not have them? sorry I've never driven cars more expensive than 25k USD ish) and cup holders etc..
Surprisingly enough, BMW 3-Series do not come standard with power seats.
I do think Bluetooth will be standard, mostly because hands free calling is the law here in CA and starting to be in other states/cities as well.
I think we can all agree that Tesla must aim for that "best car" status for the Model 3 if they want to stay in business. There is a lot of really good and well-established competition in the segment they are specifically targeting. The competition has a good set of standard features, so bar is pretty high already. You can get a feel for what Tesla would need to deliver by comparing expected features for the price range. Tesla can afford to leave out features, but on balance what they can provide needs to meet or exceed other offerings for the price.
Since the Model S does not have a remarkable set of features compared to most luxury cars in its price range, it's questionable how the Model 3 would win over the larger market share of BMW, Audi and Mercedes customers.
Since the Model S does not have a remarkable set of features compared to most luxury cars in its price range, it's questionable how the Model 3 would win over the larger market share of BMW, Audi and Mercedes customers.
How does the BMW, Audi, and Mercedes feature set compare with:
- ~90MPG / with 5.X second 0-60
- Top end acceleration comparable to $500K supercars
- Drive coast-to-coast (possibly for "free")
- Never stopping at a gas station again
- Autopilot / Collision Avoidance / Summon / Mobile App
- Over-the-air updates for any hardware-present feature
- No 5K mile routine maintenance
- 8-year unlimited mile drivetrain warranty
- 5-star safety rating across the board (planned but not yet achieved)
- More interior space than any car its size
- More storage space than any car its size
Comparing interior build quality, as in "the seats and leather in a BMW exceeds a Tesla", is utterly missing the forest for the trees.
I'm an Audi A4 owner and a reservation holder.
I'm assuming the other ~370K reservation holders aren't all first-time car buyers, so it's possible some of them are also current BMW/Audi/Mercedes owners.
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