JPP although I agree with most of what you are saying I never found that SC congestion anywhere but in California. I absolutely hate it when Companies write rules and change policy based on less than 10% of the population. I understand that in a forum people have their right to voice their opinion, however I don't believe the comments in this forum accurately represents "the masses". People use this forum to voice complaints and opinion as do I, however I hope Tesla used raw numbers to make this decision - IF the decision had anything to do with congestion. It does not state that congestion was a part of their decision to make this change.
LOL...it would be a shame for Tesla owners and potential owners to vote for higher gas prices - in order to justify their Tesla purchases, however I think there may be some that do and/or will.
Like what though? The biggest thing he could do for this is get fully autonomous driving approved so that our cars can leave at 1AM to charge when rates are low.
What I'm expecting is that rates will be lower by location and/or time. Until cars drive themselves there, how many will be using a supercharger at 2AM? They can lower rates due to idle stations and lower electric costs, both.
and ~75-80% is thrown away as heat and noise, so it is less than 7kWh usable
No one looks at things this way, since the lower operating costs of an EV largely falls on efficiency differences. There is no production car that gets 100 mpg EPA on gasoline. Tesla only promised it would cost less than an equivalent gasoline car to fuel, not that the electricity would be priced the same as gasoline on an energy basis. An equivalent premium/luxury gasoline car would probably top out around 30 mpg. That means roughly $0.20-0.25 per kWh.
Prove that you have the inability to charge YOUR Tesla at home - receive SC coupons on your ONLINE account. For example....
I think the point is that Tesla will preserve their profit margin. At 15,000 units per year, Tesla will have sold through 11 years worth of Model S by the end of 2016, only 4-1/2 years after its introduction. At 20,000 units per year, they will have sold through 8-1/4 years worth of cars in the same time frame. They have basically included the DC Fast Charging hardware on all of those cars. So it has paid for itself in full long ago, once you consider the Model S was meant to have an 8 year product cycle. And the economies of scale will only improve as DC Fast Charging hardware is included on Model ☰ and presumably Model Y as well. It seems to me that Tesla wants to make sure that Generation II and Generation III vehicles are handled the same way for Supercharger access going forward. Beyond the April 1, 2017 Delivery deadline. I expect the value added features for Model S over Model ☰ will be in both base capacity and maximum capacity on battery packs. Ultimately, the baked in cost for Generation II vehicles is a much lower percentage of overall product pricing than it would be on the Generation III cars, and the Model S will not go down in price at all.
Agreed. I stand by the notion that Tesla prefers to encourage Supercharger use. Certain measures that some put forth with the intent to discourage Supercharger use may in fact have the opposite effect, causing the very lines and delays they are afraid of experiencing. Popular routes and popular sites will always be busier than some would prefer, but that is not necessarily a problem that all must endure a 'fix' for.
I gathered these numbers yesterday, to make a point on another thread, but they may work here too...
That's just demand management and they can design algorithms around it. Once more autonomous features are unlocked, it's very possible that there will be a queue of 30 cars at supercharging stations. They coordinate the line among themselves always leaving 1 spot available for people driving through.
