This is why I’m hearing from some of my old friends from the now defunct Tesla forums that they are selling their old Ses.
I myself was wondering about buying a a used 100D till the new 4680 battery packs arrived. However even the 2017 Ses are throttled to some extent, I believe. I could be wrong.
I haven't supercharged in over a year, but last time I made a trip to California I got reasonable supercharger speeds in my 2016 refresh Model S. It was a little slower than when it was new, but only 10 or 20%. I, of course, had some slow charges at overloaded superchargers (Grants Pass), but when I didn't have to share a pair of chargers the speed was normal. Has the slow down happened since late 2020?
I haven't supercharged much over the history of the car.
I’m a new Tesla owner I admit. But I bought the car to drive it. I should have done more research I see that now. It seems neither Elon or a number of those who have owned a Tesla for a long time share that desire
I guess it’s maybe a location thing. Tesla taxis might make sense in big sprawling USA. Here in Scotland I like to drive our windy scenic country roads. Not be driven round them. I rarely need to drive on a multi-lane motorway. Driving a Tesla is fun and I don’t want that to end…
I work from home so when I do go out it's not during peak traffic. I rarely use AP and like driving it myself too.
As for robo-taxis in the US, they only make sense for about 15% of the area of the country, maybe more like 5%, though around 40-50% of the population could potentially make use of them. I live on the outskirts of the Portland, OR metro area. When Tesla started offering Uber vouchers instead of loaners I mapped out what it would cost to get home on Uber, it was around $120 because they don't normally come out this way. I never see ride sharing out here, nor regular taxis.
We live right on the edge of the metro area. Rural Washington state starts about 1/2 mile east of us. The next county over is slightly less than 1/4 the size of Wales with 12,000 people. Large swaths of the western US are that sparsely populated.
The urban folks even in the west don't really understand just how porr transportation options rural areas are, and they will likely never get better. In those areas if you don't have a car, you're stuck. My partner runs an agency that does domestic violence perpetrator counseling and they service those rural areas. One of the few in the state. She was on a task force mostly made up of Seattle people and she was pulling her hair out trying to convince them that phoning into group sessions is really the only option for many of her clients (pre-pandemic, it's all online or phone now). Many of these people have lost their drivers license and they are dependent on family members and friends to take them places (or drive illegally, which happens too). They can't use Zoom because they only have dial-up internet.
The people in Seattle say "why can't he just take a bus?" The nearest bus stop is 30 miles away, you suggest he walk, in January, in a part of the state that gets a lot of snow? Oh and the bus doesn't go to the location where the group is meeting, that's in the opposite direction. They can't wrap their minds around how life is in the rural area only a short distance from them as the crow flies.
In someplace like Portland or Seattle, robo-taxis would join a host of other transportation options available including light rail, rental scooters, lots of ride sharing, etc. But get outside the areas where population is dense and there are no public transport options that are going to be economically viable. When you get to really rural areas, the car is going to spend at least half the day running empty going from the last drop off to the next pick up. It could easily be 30 miles between fares.
I suspect a lot of the people talking up robo-taxis are those who live in urban areas with heavy traffic much of the day and they have been day dreaming how great it would be if all these other people weren't on the road with them so they could drive in peace.
What is far more feasible than FSD, and doable right now is strongly encourage companies that can to do remote work. Even before the pandemic I was thinking outer subburbs could have office buildings where people who could work remotely, but can't work at home for some reason could go and work most of the time. Leasing office space in the burbs is much cheaper than in town and there are no lease costs for those who work at home.
I've worked from home since 2010 and it's vastly better than an office!
Definitely. In the UK there’s more and more restrictions on mobile (cell) phone use like fines for changing song tracks while driving. That will soon apply to distracting touchscreens too I’m sure. I can’t play games or watch Netflix while driving. So I don’t need that on the main screen. Basic.
Here in Washington you must be hands free for phone use. My partner got pulled over when her ear piece fell out and she was putting it back in at a red traffic light. When she explained what happened she was allowed to go, but the cop was ready to give her a ticket.
I can just imagine the discussion with the cop if I get pulled over for distracted driving while trying to turn on my defroster. "Take it up with Elon mate, it's his bloody design!"
That's at least 10 years away probably 20. Actually, probably never with existing hardware. Why can't Tesla be content with selling and promoting the current cars as the best EVs on the market that are also exceptionally fun to drive? Because that's what these cars are. Maybe someday, they will have the subscription-based robotaxis they are hoping to create. But I can assure you the model 3 in my garage will never have that capability during the next six or so years I plan on owning it. So for now, they should design the UI to provide me with the best experience my car can provide me... a car driver not taxi owner.
One more point... Even if my car were capable of being a robotaxi, there is no way in hell I'm going to let it wander all around town letting people I don't know inside to give them a ride to places I wouldn't go when I'm behind the wheel. I'm just not interested in letting my car be abused in that way, because who knows what someone will do in my car while unsupervised.
I find it sort of funny, I've been skeptical of FSD from the start. Initially I got shouted down when I pointed out flaws with the plan, but in this thread I have seen several of my initial criticisms brought back up.
I always thought the privately owned robo-taxi idea was crazy. Now if FSD without a driver becomes a reality, and governments approve it (both could be far off), the robo-taxi business be dominated by large companies with company owned fleets. The little guy won't be able to compete. Uber ad Lyft have made it clear that's their end game once FSD is a reality.
And I think that vandalism in robo-taxis will be far worse than in cars with a driver. Even if there are surveillance cameras and the perps are caught, the damage will be done. It was thought that putting CCTV cameras everywhere would deter crime, it just made it easier for the cops to catch the vandals if they aren't overloaded with other stuff. What deters criminals is a person standing there.
An experiment done at a farmer's market with a stand run on the honor system with a camera on the stand found the stealing rate was much higher than the same experiment run with a cardboard cutout of a police officer in the stand. Though someone stole the cardboard cutout eventually. Having a live human standing nearby kept people the most honest.
People often get some kind of ride home when they have been out drinking, and two side effects of that is people do stupid things when drunk, plus they also get violently ill. Do you really want to spend your mornings scraping half digested kabob off the seats of your Model 3? Most people don't.
I listened to the entire earnings call. Listened to parts of it multiple times. Elon was getting frustrated that people were not seeing the big picture. That the cars they are selling today are in reality worth 5 times as much because they are all future robotaxi capable. The financial implications are "nutty good".
I just don't understand how someone so smart can be so stupid. I guess this is the textbook definition of the super high IQ person having no common sense. This is what i fear most about the success of the company. This disconnect from reality.
Elon doesn't really understand people. And the dangerous thing is he thinks he does. Sort of a Dunning-Kruger effect there. People can be brilliant in different ways and it's very rare to find someone who is brilliant in every area, or even more than one or two.
I have seen many things predicting the coming of FSD and how that's going to change everything for some time. One made the point that when the cost of something drops significantly, a cascade effect happens. That sometimes happens, but other times people stick with something that is more expensive because they like it better. for example in the cores of large cities like New York or London it's very expensive to own a car and get around by car, but while car ownership is lower in those places than less congested places, lots of people still own cars even though it's painfully expensive. For one reason or another, they like having the car better than relying on public transportation which is much cheaper.
Forgot to mention, I was updated to 2022.4 Friday. I haven't had a chance to look it over yet. One thing that I did find annoying was it was difficult to close the release notes (which said nothing). I had to open the radio window to make it go away.
