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Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500,000 Vehicles Over Emissions Software
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Not feasible, remember, the Tesla Model S broke the machine that they use to crush the cars...
DailyTech - Tesla's Model S Gets Highest Safety Rating from NHTSA, Breaks Roof Testing Machine
nwdiver
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WOW... I wonder if we'll finally get to see a top executive do a 'perp walk'...
VW might JOIN prosecution efforts.
If Winterkorn knew... he needs to be in prison...
'Volkswagen itself filed a criminal complaint with the same prosecutor’s office last week and insists it will fully cooperate with and assist the public investigation.'
VW might JOIN prosecution efforts.
If Winterkorn knew... he needs to be in prison...
'Volkswagen itself filed a criminal complaint with the same prosecutor’s office last week and insists it will fully cooperate with and assist the public investigation.'
FlatSix911
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FlatSix911
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Great charts to explain the current situation:
The company’s shares have collapsed by a third since its chicanery surfaced (see chart 1)
Diesel engines; none too popular elsewhere in the world, power half of Europe’s cars (see chart 2)
VW must increase its small share of the American market—the largest after China (see chart 3)
The gulf between stated fuel-economy figures and those achieved by an average driver has grown to 40% in recent years (see chart 4)
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
It's telling that no other big diesel producers are coming out saying: "Go ahead test our cars, we're proud to say we have never done anything like this".
adiggs
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I'm sure hoping that for all our sakes, this doesn't keep spiraling and sweeping more in. Then again, if you're somebody else and you're hoping to not get tested - when did hope become a strategy? If you're somebody else and you've been cheating, I'd dearly love to see people own it and be the first to identify the problem and come out with it. Don't wait to get "caught" - it just means you were cheating AND you were covering it up. We give brownie points to people who mess up, but confess to it, show genuine contrition and desire to make it right. A good starting point is "don't cover it up".
Somewhat unrelated - I've begun wondering if the periodic emissions testing we do here in the Portland, OR area (and by extension, everywhere else in the world), is going to change when the equipment and procedures can be put in place. At one point, my car was tested with an actual independent sensor monitoring emissions from the tail pipe. Now though, they connect the computer and just read what the computers and car sensors tell them is going on.
What would an emissions testing agency need to have in place to mass test the cars wanting re-register each month, in a fashion that wouldn't look like an emissions test is going on? I wonder just how much faster cars would be getting pulled off the roads by inability to pass emissions with more rigorous testing?
I wonder just how deeply the violation of trust by the auto makers will go in the interactions by other companies and governments with the car makers? (Or maybe it'll stay isolated to VW - because only VW had a culture that tolerated such deep violation of trust).
mspohr
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Looks like it is spreading:
Wide range of cars emit more pollution in realistic driving tests, data shows | Environment | The Guardian
Diesel cars made by Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo among others emitted far more NOx in more rigorous tests, research shows
Article in The Guardian today cites ADAC (European auto club) testing a wide range of vehichles from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo among others emitted far more NOx in more rigorous tests.
Research compiled by Adac, Europe’s largest motoring organisation, shows that some of the diesel cars it examined released over 10 times more NOx than revealed by existing EU tests, using an alternative standard due to be introduced later this decade.
Reinhard Kolke, head of test and technical affairs at Adac’s state-of-the-art test centre in Bavaria, told the Guardian: “If all cars complied with [the official EU NOx limit], we would have solved all the worst health effects. Every consumer has the right to expect all manufacturers to do this. But still there are these gross emitters.”
A recent T&E round-up of evidence found this affected nine out of 10 new diesel cars, which were on average seven times more polluting in the real world. But the Adac data are the first detailed list of specific makes and models affected.
Read the article (and weep).
Wide range of cars emit more pollution in realistic driving tests, data shows | Environment | The Guardian
Diesel cars made by Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo among others emitted far more NOx in more rigorous tests, research shows
Article in The Guardian today cites ADAC (European auto club) testing a wide range of vehichles from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat and Volvo among others emitted far more NOx in more rigorous tests.
Research compiled by Adac, Europe’s largest motoring organisation, shows that some of the diesel cars it examined released over 10 times more NOx than revealed by existing EU tests, using an alternative standard due to be introduced later this decade.
Reinhard Kolke, head of test and technical affairs at Adac’s state-of-the-art test centre in Bavaria, told the Guardian: “If all cars complied with [the official EU NOx limit], we would have solved all the worst health effects. Every consumer has the right to expect all manufacturers to do this. But still there are these gross emitters.”
A recent T&E round-up of evidence found this affected nine out of 10 new diesel cars, which were on average seven times more polluting in the real world. But the Adac data are the first detailed list of specific makes and models affected.
Read the article (and weep).
Links to the BMW statement and the Daimler statement. Both seem unequivocal to me. At this point it would see foolish for a company to try and maintain the subterfuge, but then the original VW plan seems pretty stupid to me, so what do I know?
nwdiver
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stopcrazypp
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That's apples to oranges though. They are using more rigorous test standards, not the same ones. The VW issue is that when the car is run on the road under similar driving conditions as the test, the car emits far higher emissions. The fact that the test is not strict enough compared to real world driving is not the main issue in VW's case.
mspohr
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All of the companies in the ADAC study say they don't manipulate or deceive the tests. The point of the article is that you can follow "the letter of the tests" and still make a car that spews more pollution than the regulations when the car is driven in real world conditions. It's a failure of the tests, the regulation, and governance which allows the auto companies to "lobby" (bribe) politicians.
Emissions experts have warned for some time that there were problems with official lab-based NOx tests, meaning there was a failure to limit on-the-road emissions. “Gaming and optimising the test is ubiquitous across the industry,” said Greg Archer, an emissions expert at Transport & Environment.
The bottom line is that there are much more NOx and particulates emitted than the regulations permit and this impacts the health of everyone leading to thousands of premature deaths annually.
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