I've seen the term mentioned a few times but I am not familiar with it. Can someone explain what they are and how to spot them? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks!
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I've seen the term mentioned a few times but I am not familiar with it. Can someone explain what they are and how to spot them? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks!
I've seen the term mentioned a few times but I am not familiar with it. Can someone explain what they are and how to spot them? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks!
Paint swirls are just circles in the clear coat of the paint. If you look at the car from an angle and in the sunlight you might see the circles. Swirls are usually caused by polishing your car by hand with a gritty polish. There are different "grits" of polish, so the rougher the polish the more you will see swirls. A wax doesn't have much "grit" in them so they don't usually cause swirls.
Claying the car will probably not get the swirls out, it needs to be buffed out with an orbital buffer, unless it is a really light swirl. Claying only gets the stuff on top of the clearcoat off.
When going to a professional detailer, I always ask how many coats of polish/wax they use. If they say one or two, I usually go to another place. I use to do two different polishes and one wax, but I know there are some places that do two coats of wax.
The Austin center does a terrible job on pre-prep. I have no doubt that is where most of them came from. It's on the entire car. The make ready wash person came out and was wiping down the car with a rag and with what looked like windex!! NOOO! I told her to immediately stop. May have been done at factory as well, but I doubt it.
DO NOT let them touch your paint job.
Having a professional detailer fix their mess.
Reviving a dead thread here, seems I have "hologram swirls" on my Model S from the factory. There was just no way to see them in the showroom on delivery as they are not obvious scratches. Instead they reveal themselves as 3-dimensional "swirls" of multi-colour that are obviously caused by a motorized buffer, presumably in the factory. I don't envy this person's job, as they are
invisible in almost every situation, but when they show, they look ridiculous.
Like many members do, I didn't feel like driving my new Model S right over to an aftermarket shop for a package with paint correction, but now I'm starting to regret it. The hood has 3, passenger door has 1. Those are the obvious ones, when the light hits them just right.
I actually have a buffer still in the box, but I am terrified at the thought of using it on my bonnet, especially since it's now cQuartz UK treated, applied in the shade on day 2 so I didn't yet see them in their full glory. The cQuartz surely helped, as the swirls seem to get scarier over time as the treatment wears off, until I hit it with the companion detailing spray, which seems to help a bit.
But I think I'm getting annoyed with cQuartz as it's so difficult to deal with, I might just try to clay bar it off this summer and maybe get a lot of buffer practice in on an old ICE car or just bring it to a professional shop, hopefully after I wear off or remove the cQuartz so I don't have to pay extra for my short-sightedness
And I guess if there's another lesson here, it's to try and inspect your Model S in the sun if at all possible, from all angles, before driving away.
I have to disagree a bit on this one.
I think the most common cause of swirl marks on a car include improper washing and drying. You can get marring from buffing with a microfiber (on very soft paint) and even during the application of waxes and sealants if done improperly. Compounds should typically be followed by polishes to get rid of swirls left behind in the process.
Claying can cause marring of the paint if it drags particles across the clearcoat, but it is in no way intended to get swirls out. By definition it can't since it removes only above surface contaminants.
Not sure what inherently is wrong with more than one coat of wax; a lot of people do that. Usually it's topping a sealant with a wax, but, hey, whatever deepens the gloss.
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I agree 100%.
The last time I went down to the service center, I specifically told them not to wash my car. I think the whole Tesla paint and prep is just subpar. I have scarily thin readings on my paint after checking the thickness. There's orange peel all over the place. The clearcoat scratches way too easily.
I regret that it took so long for me to apply Gtechniq C1 and EXOv2. I recommend everyone get their Model S professionally detailed and put on at minimum a nano coat or Xpel.
Hi there, always great to see a supportive vendor so I'll be happy to provide as much info as possible. I can add some pics one day soon too -- I'd like to catch the holograms too.Hi Lex,
Can I ask what you're referring to when you state that you're "getting annoyed with cQuartz as it's so difficult to deal with"? It certainly shouldn't be something that causes you grief, as if anything it is meant to make maintenance of your vehicle easier.
With regard to removing CQuartz in order to correct the deeper defects, understand that with a ceramic coating it will not be a simple matter of using a clay bar to remove it since it has fully cured. It will take compounding/polishing to remove it and get down to the rotary holograms you have discovered.
If you can provide some additional information about your specific troubles (and ideally, some pictures if you can capture them in direct sunlight) I would like to try helping you figure out what approach to take in order to deal with them.
Swirls can often result from improper washing. The Tesla paint is soft due to environmental constraints in CA requiring a more environmentally friendly formulation that is softer than other paint formulations. The factory paint should not have swirls. A new Model S may have swirls from delivery methods. My Brown Model S was delivered in Houston. There were no swirls in my paint.
I had OptiCoat applied to my car to minimize future swirls. The OptiCoat will also minimize damage from bird dung.
Hi there, always great to see a supportive vendor so I'll be happy to provide as much info as possible. I can add some pics one day soon too -- I'd like to catch the holograms too.
As for the cQuartz, first off full disclosure, I did apply it myself, I used the stronger cQuartz UK, and to be honest it might not have cured properly as I didn't get a full 24 hours of dry weather before the car got wet.
With that said, perhaps you have some ideas for me. I get a white haze at times, similar to a wax, after washing and drying. In fact the way I've described it is that it feels like I need to re-polish the car after every wash, I have to be very careful when drying or I get a white haze in places.
More full disclosure, this is mostly on the hood, which I foolishly did first, and I may have over-applied the product as I learned as I went that a little goes a long way.
And, because the stuff dries like little pebbles / glass I'm kinda terrified to re-use my microfibre towels... any of them that I use on my treated painted surfaces. I was actually planning to ask if there was a solvent for cQuartz so that I could pre-soak them before washing but I am guessing not based on your post, for which I do very much thank you
And finally, it is worth re-mentioning that the cQuartz UK did indeed seem to almost completely hide the holograms, at least for the first season. And I also like that, used undiluted, it darkened my car just a bit, which was a warning, but I actually like the end result and I think I'm noticing the original colour now slowing coming back, as the product thins. End of next month will be 1 full year.
Oh and without question it keeps the car cleaner, and makes it easier to clean (except for what I noted above).