Will Elon give Autopilot free for 2018 or early 2019 buyers

[Knightshade]

Why all the thumbs down? My p3d- was 75k the same car now is 59-60kk.

yeah, we've debunked this math- numerous times- hell even in this very thread for an AWD guy- yet you keep pushing the false narrative that there's a 5-figure difference between 2018 and current pricing.


12.5k of that 15k came back to you in the federal tax credit and the FUSC refund. Another $500 in HW you got others didn't.

So...~2k total difference.

(and potentially the same or cheaper, depending on the exact mix of color/wheel options and if there were any state credits then you can't get now)

 

[mmiketa]

You got the god dammit FRUNK CARGO HOOKS so stop complaining!

The frunk no longer has cargo hooks???

 

[Knightshade]

The frunk no longer has cargo hooks???

Some argue it never did- and people were using screw-cover caps AS cargo hooks, so Tesla removed em.

 

[Timmay]

I keep hoping for the same thing. I wouldn't use Autopilot every day because I dont use the freeway on my daily drive to work. But i have done a couple of road trips where autopilot would have been great. Just not sure its worth $3k for something I would rarely use.

When I see some of my friends who are getting Model 3 late in 2019 (and now in 2020 too) that includes 'Free Autopilot', I kinda keep thinking/hoping that someday Elon will give that same functionality (Enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane.) for us buyers who in fact paid more $$ being early birds. This same functionality is listed as $3000 now when I click on 'Upgrades' link in the app, and indeed I paid probably $8k more compared to SR+ that is being sold now. Not fair !

 

[rraghu78]

How about providing FSD via subscription on demand for a fixed fee per day or something like that. This way, when ppl are going to travel long distance on occasion can subscribe for the (great) value-add service for the time they need it

 

[ElectricIAC]

How about providing FSD via subscription on demand for a fixed fee per day or something like that. This way, when ppl are going to travel long distance on occasion can subscribe for the (great) value-add service for the time they need it

Eh I think segmenting it by the day is just a little too piecemeal. Week at best but month more optimal. Base it on your average 60-72mo loan and make it a $150 fee for a month of use.

That’s fair and allows Tesla to tap into revenue otherwise unrealized. Perhaps even credit the user that amount back if they purchase it down the road.

 

[rraghu78]

yea .. monthly or weekly .. but hopefully not too outrageous to discourage ... with all the wonderful long drive stories posted and how helpful FSD was, I think Tesla will have good revenue stream from this subscription service.

Eh I think segmenting it by the day is just a little too piecemeal. Week at best but month more optimal. Base it on your average 60-72mo loan and make it a $150 fee for a month of use.

That’s fair and allows Tesla to tap into revenue otherwise unrealized. Perhaps even credit the user that amount back if they purchase it down the road.

 

[rraghu78]

In general, I read from posts on this thread that things get cheaper as time progresses, and that early adopters will have to pay premium - and I totally agree/get it.

However, limiting the discussion scope to just the price of EAP/FSD, I believe the price certainly went up .. it was like $5k if I had signed up before delivery (pretty sure about this number), but now on the app it shows me $10,000 to get the same functionality. That's all I'm saying after reading several comments. (things like smart summon are given to those who got EAP/FSD earlier and now too, there is no extra price for smart summon etc.,)

 

[WattsHappening]

We all have our individual price points where we would pull the trigger. I'm sure Tesla has marketing folks who are studying this and figuring out optimal pricing points. While they don't want to price it so only a handful will purchase, it certainly wouldn't be optimal for them to price it so 95% of folks purchase.

I guess with the increase in on-demand pricing, weekly/monthly on-demand pricing could work. But I am sure this will also come with headaches. People trying to purchase and cancel, getting upset because they didn't cancel on a timely basis, complaining about being nickeled and dimed, complaining the monthly fee is too high, etc.

 

[focher]

yeah, we've debunked this math- numerous times- hell even in this very thread for an AWD guy- yet you keep pushing the false narrative that there's a 5-figure difference between 2018 and current pricing.


12.5k of that 15k came back to you in the federal tax credit and the FUSC refund. Another $500 in HW you got others didn't.

So...~2k total difference.

(and potentially the same or cheaper, depending on the exact mix of color/wheel options and if there were any state credits then you can't get now)

I hope you've programmed a macro to retype this information, because it appears to require repeating every few weeks.

 

[Swampgator]

My hope is Tesla will make basic autopilot standard for those who did not purchase EAP. Elon says it's standard now because of "safety"
He has also said in the past he would not charge extra for safety features they can deliver via software.
I think Tesla is just trying to figure out how to do this without pissing off all the EAP purchasers from that time period.
We can't have Fred Lambert using his platform to whine about it like he did when they reduce FSD pricing last year.

 

[ElectricIAC]

My hope is Tesla will make basic autopilot standard for those who did not purchase EAP. Elon says it's standard now because of "safety"
He has also said in the past he would not charge extra for safety features they can deliver via software.
I think Tesla is just trying to figure out how to do this without pissing off all the EAP purchasers from that time period.
We can't have Fred Lambert using his platform to whine about it like he did when they reduce FSD pricing last year.

If they did that, besides a small range bump what other tangible benefits does one have to pick SR+ over SR?

 

[jazba]

Perhaps Elon can bring back 50% off sale on Autopilot Tesla had last March?

 

[rraghu78]

How different will it be from supercharging billing once they write the software effectively ..

I guess with the increase in on-demand pricing, weekly/monthly on-demand pricing could work. But I am sure this will also come with headaches. People trying to purchase and cancel, getting upset because they didn't cancel on a timely basis, complaining about being nickeled and dimed, complaining the monthly fee is too high, etc.

 

[Glamisduner]

What someone else gets, or doesn’t get, in their vehicle has no bearing whatsoever on anyone else.

I’m so tired of thread after thread of “But daaaaad Joey got an extra nugget in his happy meal, I want one too!!!” around here.

It’s just like Roulette in the casino. Every spin of the wheel has NOTHING to do with the next... but yet, the casino posts that board showing the last 20 numbers. It’s got no bearing whatsoever - the idea of a “number being due” is a figment of imagination.

Same with buying a Tesla. Each purchase has nothing to do with another. They’re wholly unrelated. Nobody’s “number is due” ... You bought what you bought, and if someone ends up with something else ... Mazel tov.

It's not good business plain and simple. People won't see value in purchasing things that will be given away just a little while later.

I can and will disagree, people paid the cost of a used car to get fsd features many which have not even been released yet, and under this logic why not just give out FSD for free too?

Why do people feel entitled to piggy back on the early adopters that paid for the software to be developed?

Maybe Tesla should stop giving away AP instead.

 

[dmurphy]

It's not good business plain and simple. People won't see value in purchasing things that will be given away just a little while later.

Happens all day, every day, in every industry.

Black Friday sales?
Car sales?
Ever read a Best Buy weekly circular?
Closeouts?
Heck, even homes.

Every industry. Nothing even remotely unusual about changing prices on an item.

 

[Glamisduner]

In general, I read from posts on this thread that things get cheaper as time progresses, and that early adopters will have to pay premium - and I totally agree/get it.

However, limiting the discussion scope to just the price of EAP/FSD, I believe the price certainly went up .. it was like $5k if I had signed up before delivery (pretty sure about this number), but now on the app it shows me $10,000 to get the same functionality. That's all I'm saying after reading several comments. (things like smart summon are given to those who got EAP/FSD earlier and now too, there is no extra price for smart summon etc.,)

Smart summon was part of the EAP packageb that was sold for $5k at time if purchase

Happens all day, every day, in every industry.

Black Friday sales?
Car sales?
Ever read a Best Buy weekly circular?
Closeouts?
Heck, even homes.

Every industry. Nothing even remotely unusual about changing prices on an item.

Oh really? When is the last time you were given a $3k item for free?

 

[dmurphy]

Oh really? When is the last time you were given a $3k item for free?

I negotiated more than that off my Enclave... the next guy didn't.

I got my landscape designer to throw in the pool waterfall at no cost... I'm sure someone else paid for theirs.

I can go on and on ... point is, you're just hurt because someone got a better deal than you.

That falls under the TS rule.

 

[Glamisduner]

I negotiated more than that off my Enclave... the next guy didn't.

I got my landscape designer to throw in the pool waterfall at no cost... I'm sure someone else paid for theirs.

I can go on and on ... point is, you're just hurt because someone got a better deal than you.

That falls under the TS rule.

Tesla is all about no haggle pricing, everyone gets the same price. While there cost of the cars may change over time there is no reason for them to change the cost of software still in beta.

When you're selling software at close to $10k dollars it needs to maintain is perceived value or customers will not be happy plain and simple. Especially with notes on the site at time of purchase that specifically tell the customer that it's will cost more to purchase later if not purchased with the car.

We are not taking about a black Friday sale here, we are taking about software that has not even been released yet. AP is still in beta....

 

[dmurphy]

Tesla is all about no haggle pricing, everyone gets the same price. While there cost of the cars may change over time there is no reason for them to change the cost of software still in beta.

Sure there is. It's called demand. Buzz. Marketing without marketing. And it's working. Ya seen the stock lately? The 2019 deliveries?

It's their software and changing the price - or including it with the base car - is their prerogative.

Remember when Apple charged $129 for each version of Mac OS? Now it's included with the machine. Doesn't mean I get all upset because the people who bought Macs after me didn't have to pay for the updates.

Especially with notes on the site at time of purchase that specifically tell the customer that it's will cost more to purchase later if not purchased with the car.

And it does. FSD was less when that was posted. Now it's $7k.

We are not taking about a black Friday sale here, we are taking about software that has not even been released yet. AP is still in beta....

If it's not released, what in the bloody hell is changing the lanes on my car? Sure, it's labeled "beta" - but so was Gmail for 5 years. Doesn't mean it wasn't real or didn't work.

This really, truly all boils down to someone else getting a better deal than you did... and that's really just how the world works. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.

Sorry if I'm lacking sympathy, but just because someone else got something for free, doesn't mean you didn't get what you paid for.