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It’s the time of year when this forum starts to get new winter related posts. Thankfully there is already a wealth of information in the forum.
We’ll take it as read that few people read the manual and the advice it contains for cold weather.
Let’s start with probably the most common query as temperatures drop -

Where did my miles go?
Put very simply, batteries don’t like the cold. They like to work at an optimum temperature and your car will do all it can to keep them at this temperature. That means it will use some of the energy in your battery to heat them up and to keep them warm. This obviously uses more energy than in summer when the ambient temperature is higher. It also takes a wee bit of time to get the batteries warm so they will be less efficient before they come up to temperature. You’ll also lose more energy when charging in winter as the batteries have usually got to heat up to charge as efficiently as possible. If you are heading to a Supercharger the car will automatically preheat the battery during your drive. This can seem to be a bit variable, but depends on a host of factors such as outside temp, battery temp, distance etc. Even if you are not heading to a supercharger to charge, you can trick the car into pre-heating by selecting a supercharger as the destination in the navigation. The car should start to preheat and when you arrive at your non-supercharger charger the battery will charge faster due to it being a bit warmer.

Keep an eye out for the snowflake icon on the screen. this indicates that the battery is cold and the car has reserved some of the capacity. You’ll probably notice it when your battery capacity or miles remaining jumps up. This is the car releasing the reserved capacity now that the battery is warm.

Aside from batteries there is at least one other component that likes to stay warm - the driver and possibly passengers. If it’s cold outside more energy will be needed to heat the cabin and therefore there will be less available to drive the wheels. This also applies when you’re sitting in the car while charging.

Also the weather can have an impact on your efficiency too. While in the UK & I we can get heavy rain in the summer, it is much more common in winter and is therefore more noticeable. Thankfully Tesla have started to incorporate the weather in trip range calculations, but I’m not sure it will accommodate the 4 seasons in one day we get here.

What does all this mumbo jumbo mean to you? It means that you will get less range with your car than you did in the summer. There are lots of threads that delve into this deeper if you want to understand how it impacts you.

Incidentally ICE cars are impacted by cold weather as well. They are just so inefficient that the loss due to the cold is less obvious and a lot of the waste is heat which can be quite useful at this time of year.

What Tyres?
As the weather starts to deteriorate people’s thoughts will start to drift (no pun intended) to the best tyres for winter use. If you can afford them and can be bothered with changing them, then winter tyres offer the best performance in sub 7C temperatures. Nowadays though you also have very good all season tyres. Again plenty of threads that deal with the pros and cons of each type and what size is needed for various Tesla models. Just don’t make the mistake this driver did by thinking that AWD makes your car invincible.

Your tyre pressures will also be affected by the cold weather. Pressure drops by about 1-2psi for every 10C drop in air temperature. Therefore if you pumped your tyres up in the summer, by the time winter comes - and don’t forget those cold autumnal mornings - you could see quite a substantial drop in your tyre pressures. It is also not uncommon for each tyre to have different temperatures especially first thing in the morning. I often see this when one side of the car has been heated by the sun and the other is in shade. I’ve even seen just one tyre heated by the sun and the rest at a much lower pressure. Keep an eye on them and follow best practice for winter use.

Windscreen washer
The size of the fluid reservoir can be found in the manual. What you put in it has already been discussed and this is largely a matter of personal choice. What you used in your last car will likely work in your Tesla, it ain’t that special.

Ice, ice baby
Frosty mornings also bring frozen windows, doors, charging ports etc. There are some precautions you can take to mitigate the impact of these, but there are also some good threads in the forum about what can go wrong and how to get in your car if something is frozen.

Cold windows can sometimes lead to condensation on the inside and occasionally ’steam/smoke’ when charging. It’s not unusual for the tail lights in particular to be affected. Lots of posts about what Tesla consider to be ‘within spec’ for this.

You may also hear your car making more noises than usual. This is likely the heat pump moving heat around the car and battery. It’s even mentioned in the manual along with some sample sounds.

If you have an LR or Performance you’ll have 4 wheel drive, but that doesn’t mean you can drive like Hannu Mikkola in snow and ice. Without decent tyres, see above, you’ll just slide in a potentially expensive manner. A RWD car with winter/All season tyres will out perform an AWD car with summer tyres in these conditions.

If you have any other links to existing threads then please post them. Most of all, use the search function, it's not our first winter :)

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I have been telling people for years to forget everything else. Never having to get into a freezing cold or boiling hot car is THE reason to get an EV.
As said above, it's been on many ICE cars for years too, (JLR, BMW, Benz, etc...) but at least you don't have to suffer an idling engine with no one on board..

Tessie commands with Siri Shortcuts can be immensely powerful though. I can start the car 5 mins before a calendar event, and depending on weather and humidity enable the steering wheel heater or windscreen defrost.
 
Ah the joys of short winter commutes with a partner who apparently has some reptile DNA and needs the car set at 23 degrees. If energy prices carry on going up i will have to think about hibinating her over the winter! View attachment 882710
Have you trained her with the house thermostat first by explaining that setting it higher does not mean it will heat faster? 😂 Common misconception sadly.
 
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Ah the joys of short winter commutes with a partner who apparently has some reptile DNA and needs the car set at 23 degrees. If energy prices carry on going up i will have to think about hibinating her over the winter! View attachment 882710

This afternoon I was expecting my wife back any minute and checked the app to see where the car was ... noted that the car interior was at 28C and a window was open! The full story is that she never gets around to warming the car before leaving so seeing that the car was still covered in a hard frost at nearly midday I (very kindly) switched the car into de-frost mode ... which kicks in full bore heating at HI ... when she left 10 minutes later in a toasty car I never thought to look at the app and to switch the climate back to normal (does it usually do that on its own?) Anyway, she says there was no way she could cancel the HI heating setting when in the car! So she drove about 25 miles to where she was going ... and 25 miles back later on with the window open and outside temperatures around -1 ... (However I expected the Wh/mile to be much worse than it actually was: 251 going out and 302 coming home ... gradient explains the difference.)
 
Went out last night and came back to it about 10pm with the door handles just started to freeze and stick.

Is the mechanism you need to lubricate just behind it when you push it fully in? And what's the best stuff to use? I have some WD40, or some spray Teflon lubricant which is pretty good at stopping certain door hinges sticking in the house. Would that be suitable/better?
 
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Yes WD40 stops the pin in handles on from freezing. There is a procedure in the manual.


The water around the handle against the body is what froze on mine last night.
 
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The water around the handle against the body is what froze on mine last night.
That’s my experience too. The body acts like a very shallow bucket which when even small amount of water ingresses acts like glue to freeze the handle closed. Even 10’s of minutes of pre conditioning on max/hi does not guarantee that it will always unfreeze even with a decent palm punch that I would perform on my wife’s behalf. Even though recommended by Tesla as a workaround, this sudden breaking of the bond can cause damage to the inner handle surfaces where the handle surface is wrapped around the handle body - at least with chrome handled cars, not sure if black detailed cars is the same construction.

I’m hoping that this is the problem that Tesla has recognised and has now addressed with their recent app/car update (2022.36.x?) that allows the drivers door to be remotely unlatched.
 
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That’s my experience too. The body acts like a very shallow bucket which when even small amount of water ingresses acts like glue to freeze the handle closed. Even 10’s of minutes of pre conditioning on max/hi does not guarantee that it will always unfreeze even with a decent palm punch that I would perform on my wife’s behalf. Even though recommended by Tesla as a workaround, this sudden breaking of the bond can cause damage to the inner handle surfaces where the handle surface is wrapped around the handle body - at least with chrome handled cars, not sure if black detailed cars is the same construction.

I’m hoping that this is the problem that Tesla has recognised and has now addressed with their recent app/car update (2022.36.x?) that allows the drivers door to be remotely unlatched.
not sure if you have tried the unlatch but it does not fully unlatch on mine so you still have to use the handle to release the door so its clearly not there to get around frozen handles.
I also note that on newer cars, ones with black handles, there is new advice from Tesla for frozen handles. On chrome cars it is litterally hit it with the palm of your hand ( which does work) but on cars with black handles the advice is to push in on the small end of the handle to free it. So they have obviously changed the mechanism some what
 
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not sure if you have tried the unlatch but it does not fully unlatch on mine so you still have to use the handle to release the door so its clearly not there to get around frozen handles.
I also note that on newer cars, ones with black handles, there is new advice from Tesla for frozen handles. On chrome cars it is litterally hit it with the palm of your hand ( which does work) but on cars with black handles the advice is to push in on the small end of the handle to free it. So they have obviously changed the mechanism some what
Just tried this feature on my car and the door pops open about an inch. No need to touch the handle. Maybe yours need looking at?
 
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not sure if you have tried the unlatch but it does not fully unlatch on mine so you still have to use the handle to release the door so its clearly not there to get around frozen handles.
I also note that on newer cars, ones with black handles, there is new advice from Tesla for frozen handles. On chrome cars it is litterally hit it with the palm of your hand ( which does work) but on cars with black handles the advice is to push in on the small end of the handle to free it. So they have obviously changed the mechanism some what

Just tried this feature on my car and the door pops open about an inch. No need to touch the handle. Maybe yours need looking at?
Had this on mine this morning (also model Y) and it did not fully unlatch ( I tried it twice). If you do it a second time after it pops out then you can open it without the handle. My Mrs used it yesterday (2021 model 3), said it was useful but did not mention having to do it twice.
 
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Just used 30% battery to go 38 miles. Mixture of motorway and town driving.
Model s 75d only managed to partially pre condition for 15 mins before I left, but I've noticed that uses about 4/5% anyway

I'll take the ice car next time based on that mpg range
 
I'll take the ice car next time based on that mpg range

True depending on where you can charge.

I'm at 504Wh/mi based on the last 7 days though Tessie...
...But I have IO, so charge at home at 7.5p / kWh, therefore I'm still below 4p/mi

With avg. public charging prices at 40p-50p/kWh however, that's a different story, as with 20p/mi, you're now above petrol (using RAC 158p average petrol and a 40mpg ICE = 19p/mi).
 
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True depending on where you can charge.

I'm at 504Wh/mi based on the last 7 days though Tessie...
...But I have IO, so charge at home at 7.5p / kWh, therefore I'm still below 4p/mi

With avg. public charging prices at 40p-50p/kWh however, that's a different story, as with 20p/mi, you're now above petrol (using RAC 158p average petrol and a 40mpg ICE = 19p/mi).
Can't get any ev rates at the moment so stuck on 43p kW....
 
I'll take the ice car next time based on that mpg range

The ICE will have dreadful MPG on a short journey on the cold like that too. If you aren't going out of range, and can charge at home, not sure there is a reason to take ICE (in terms of fuel consumption alone)

Long journey is different, especially if fully pre-conditioned also. Not that that will always be a possibility of course ...

P.S. Temperatures much below 0C are something different though
 
The ICE will have dreadful MPG on a short journey on the cold like that too. If you aren't going out of range, and can charge at home, not sure there is a reason to take ICE (in terms of fuel consumption alone)

Long journey is different, especially if fully pre-conditioned also. Not that that will always be a possibility of course ...

P.S. Temperatures much below 0C are something different though
Aye and right now we've been in the minus for a good few days here in the North west
 
Feeling the cold now.. usually charge to 100% pre-nights and get through 3-4x commute to work (50mi round trip) without charging.. with it reading -5° every time I get in the car & preheating I only managed 2.5 trips so far this weekend

Fortunately lots of superchargers around and soon to be a 2 EV household so can "battery swap" by changing cars!
 
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