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It’s the time of year when this forum starts to get new winter related posts. Thankfully there is already a wealth of information in the forum.
We’ll take it as read that few people read the manual and the advice it contains for cold weather.
Let’s start with probably the most common query as temperatures drop -

Where did my miles go?
Put very simply, batteries don’t like the cold. They like to work at an optimum temperature and your car will do all it can to keep them at this temperature. That means it will use some of the energy in your battery to heat them up and to keep them warm. This obviously uses more energy than in summer when the ambient temperature is higher. It also takes a wee bit of time to get the batteries warm so they will be less efficient before they come up to temperature. You’ll also lose more energy when charging in winter as the batteries have usually got to heat up to charge as efficiently as possible. If you are heading to a Supercharger the car will automatically preheat the battery during your drive. This can seem to be a bit variable, but depends on a host of factors such as outside temp, battery temp, distance etc. Even if you are not heading to a supercharger to charge, you can trick the car into pre-heating by selecting a supercharger as the destination in the navigation. The car should start to preheat and when you arrive at your non-supercharger charger the battery will charge faster due to it being a bit warmer.

Keep an eye out for the snowflake icon on the screen. this indicates that the battery is cold and the car has reserved some of the capacity. You’ll probably notice it when your battery capacity or miles remaining jumps up. This is the car releasing the reserved capacity now that the battery is warm.

Aside from batteries there is at least one other component that likes to stay warm - the driver and possibly passengers. If it’s cold outside more energy will be needed to heat the cabin and therefore there will be less available to drive the wheels. This also applies when you’re sitting in the car while charging.

Also the weather can have an impact on your efficiency too. While in the UK & I we can get heavy rain in the summer, it is much more common in winter and is therefore more noticeable. Thankfully Tesla have started to incorporate the weather in trip range calculations, but I’m not sure it will accommodate the 4 seasons in one day we get here.

What does all this mumbo jumbo mean to you? It means that you will get less range with your car than you did in the summer. There are lots of threads that delve into this deeper if you want to understand how it impacts you.

Incidentally ICE cars are impacted by cold weather as well. They are just so inefficient that the loss due to the cold is less obvious and a lot of the waste is heat which can be quite useful at this time of year.

What Tyres?
As the weather starts to deteriorate people’s thoughts will start to drift (no pun intended) to the best tyres for winter use. If you can afford them and can be bothered with changing them, then winter tyres offer the best performance in sub 7C temperatures. Nowadays though you also have very good all season tyres. Again plenty of threads that deal with the pros and cons of each type and what size is needed for various Tesla models. Just don’t make the mistake this driver did by thinking that AWD makes your car invincible.

Your tyre pressures will also be affected by the cold weather. Pressure drops by about 1-2psi for every 10C drop in air temperature. Therefore if you pumped your tyres up in the summer, by the time winter comes - and don’t forget those cold autumnal mornings - you could see quite a substantial drop in your tyre pressures. It is also not uncommon for each tyre to have different temperatures especially first thing in the morning. I often see this when one side of the car has been heated by the sun and the other is in shade. I’ve even seen just one tyre heated by the sun and the rest at a much lower pressure. Keep an eye on them and follow best practice for winter use.

Windscreen washer
The size of the fluid reservoir can be found in the manual. What you put in it has already been discussed and this is largely a matter of personal choice. What you used in your last car will likely work in your Tesla, it ain’t that special.

Ice, ice baby
Frosty mornings also bring frozen windows, doors, charging ports etc. There are some precautions you can take to mitigate the impact of these, but there are also some good threads in the forum about what can go wrong and how to get in your car if something is frozen.

Cold windows can sometimes lead to condensation on the inside and occasionally ’steam/smoke’ when charging. It’s not unusual for the tail lights in particular to be affected. Lots of posts about what Tesla consider to be ‘within spec’ for this.

You may also hear your car making more noises than usual. This is likely the heat pump moving heat around the car and battery. It’s even mentioned in the manual along with some sample sounds.

If you have an LR or Performance you’ll have 4 wheel drive, but that doesn’t mean you can drive like Hannu Mikkola in snow and ice. Without decent tyres, see above, you’ll just slide in a potentially expensive manner. A RWD car with winter/All season tyres will out perform an AWD car with summer tyres in these conditions.

If you have any other links to existing threads then please post them. Most of all, use the search function, it's not our first winter :)

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Following the theme of winter driving, after fitting winter tyres (or not) there’s an option under tyre calibration to change the fitted tyre type to winter for a better driving experience.
What does that actually do?
 
Following the theme of winter driving, after fitting winter tyres (or not) there’s an option under tyre calibration to change the fitted tyre type to winter for a better driving experience.
What does that actually do?
Ah ... interesting. Haven't noticed this. It's too miserable to go out and look at the screen but someone's sure to have a theory ... or even actual information about this! An initial look at the manual doesn't come up with anything.
 
Based on a journey that used 70%, or more, of the battery? If not you will do better on an actual single-leg long journey.

I've been driving Tesla since 2015. Back then I did 35K miles a year - plenty of long journeys in winter. With pre-condition (off Mains) before leaving, I used about 10% more juice on single-leg long journeys in Winter than Summer.

But if you need to do travelling-salesman-mode, stopping for an hour to visit a client, multiple times a day, THEN the set-off penalty, with a cold-soaked battery, will be significant.
Yeah this was a single trip.
Once again we see what I alluded to jokingly upthread. People just won’t believe that the best an M3P does is 1% is 2 miles. Winter worse. Those that then tell me I’ve made it up…🙄🙄🙄🙄
 
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I thought it was also inducing a stronger regen braking than the other two modes but I may be mistaken?
My impression is that it just continues the same level of regen but all the way to a stop. In the other modes the regen cuts out earlier. The final level of retardation in the other modes depends on how gently you apply the brake, and it’s unlikely you could manage much more smoothly … maybe you could but when stopping all the way to a hold without using the brakes at all it feels very gradual.
 
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You are the Tesla manual Ninja! (Though I was looking for the winter tyre reference. I presume there’s nothing specific to that?)
I just know how to use the search bar :)

Note
Installing winter tires with aggressive compound and tread design may result in temporarily-reduced regenerative braking power. However, your vehicle is designed to continuously recalibrate itself, and after changing tires it will increasingly restore regenerative braking power after some moderate-torque straight-line accelerations. For most drivers this occurs after a short period of normal driving, but drivers who normally accelerate lightly may need to use slightly harder accelerations while the recalibration is in progress. Go to Service > Wheel & Tire Configuration > Tires to select winter tires and quicken this process.
 
I’m expecting to see a range drop when I fit winter tyres this weekend. Already noticed a significant drop in range with the cooler weather recently.
It's more likely the drop will be due to the colder weather rather than the tyres. As with MrB above, I have quite a long season with winters and it's the temperature that makes the most difference.
 
Yikes.

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And I wasn’t even hammering it 😬

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This is for the M3P right?
How do you find it compares to the MY? In theory MY should be worse since it is heavier, worse drag and wider tyres but I would be rather shocked if it got worse than that?
Not done any long winter journeys yet in mine but never saw worse than about 320-330wh/m in my old M3LR fully loaded and that didn't even have a heat pump!
P.S. It wasn't raining was it?
 
Not range related but on topic for the thread title - I just picked up my MY 10 days ago, just in time for the cold weather to arrive and it is AMAZING having a car that can pre-warm itself. I know this isn't a Tesla only thing, and some ICE cars can do it too, but being able to do it without the guilt of running an engine is a massive perk.

Thanks to Tessie automations I've got our entire weekly routine with the kids pre-configured so that the car is always warm and ready to go at the right time.
 
Not range related but on topic for the thread title - I just picked up my MY 10 days ago, just in time for the cold weather to arrive and it is AMAZING having a car that can pre-warm itself. I know this isn't a Tesla only thing, and some ICE cars can do it too, but being able to do it without the guilt of running an engine is a massive perk.

Thanks to Tessie automations I've got our entire weekly routine with the kids pre-configured so that the car is always warm and ready to go at the right time.
I have been telling people for years to forget everything else. Never having to get into a freezing cold or boiling hot car is THE reason to get an EV.