If the OP's pricing structure of $600/year holds true, there is really no maintenance advantage over the M5 using your numbers. Best case it may be a close wash, worst case the difference will be pretty significant. If Tesla had complete maintenance capped at $600 then that may be a start, but they even nickle and dime on the fluid changes, wipers etc.
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If the OP's pricing structure of $600/year holds true, there is really no maintenance advantage over the M5 using your numbers. Best case it may be a close wash, worst case the difference will be pretty significant. If Tesla had complete maintenance capped at $600 then that may be a start, but they even nickle and dime on the fluid changes, wipers etc.
Just curious if anyone has emailed their Tesla rep lately and asked them specifically to explain maintenance costs? There seems to be lots of speculation but no definitive data.
By the way, IMO $600 a year is way too much for an EV. I currently drive a Leaf and the 6 month service checks are a joke: Rotate tires and update software.
By the way, IMO $600 a year is way too much for an EV. I currently drive a Leaf and the 6 month service checks are a joke: Rotate tires and update software.
Completely agree. Same story with the RAV4-EV. I think you add to that a fluids change for the gear reduction unit and the inverter cooling system at 100k or something.
jimbakker666
Member
No I didn't, I really didn't care that much to investigate it. I was simply looking, quickly, to see what the Edmunds TMO that was posted *by someone else* was comprised of.
Feel free to post the portions related to yearly maintentance.
If you're going to complain about the lack of category breakdown on the site, you might want to actually check what's really on the site.
You simply complained without even a cursory click to realize that your complaint was completely invalid.
Not cool.
jimbakker666
Member
Chill out dude. I didn't complain about anything. I looked at what was on the site, specifically what the TMO consists of, and I posted it for everyone to understand that the numbers produced by "TMO" are the sum of multiple categories. You can't compare TMO to yearly maintenance because they're not the same thing.
Your TMO link didn't take me to any categories, or if they were there I missed them because I wasn't looking for them. I was looking for what "TMO" is..
Edit: I think you're confusing me with another poster.
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I clicked on the M5 link
2007 BMW M5 5.0L V10 7-speed Automated Manual True Cost to Own
* Based on a 5-year estimate with 15,000 miles driven per year
Spatters is an owner of an M5 with 58k miles...
it shows:
as maintenance
$2,238
$646
$5,413
$922
$3,150
$12,369 (total)
and repairs
$1,794
$1,934
$2,082
$2,240
$2,409
Total $10,459
(22k in additional costs in addition to the prepaid maintenance)
According to Spatters data this it not even close to being accurate...Please Advise?
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Since you insist:
My link clearly shows it has a breakdown on yearly maintenance.
You however, by your own admission, didn't even take the time to click the supplied link. You wrote up an post incorrectly saying the TCO site wasn't of value since we're discussing yearly maintenance costs when the TCO site clearly shows yearly maintenance costs.
I've no problem with your contributing to the discussion, but when people take the time to find sources and link them, its a simple courtesy to actually look at them before dismissing their value.
Get more samples? Look at other sites?
Unless you're intending spatters' single data point as the only one necessary to generalize to all possible M5 maintenance costs? I'm not particularly sold on Edmunds, they're just a common name in the business. Try the other sites.
spatterso911
P100DL - Raven
I have no idea where that data comes from, since every M5 gets the maintenance agreement for the first 4 years. If you do an oil change every 3500 miles, then you are looking at about 1600 per year in oil changes (15k miles). I wonder if it includes tires, which run about $1500 a set. For the past 5 years, I have contributed my repair data to a website called TrueDelta which tracks real owners' reliability issues and reports them. Granted,mthere is audience and selection bias so take with a grain of salt.
Edmunds doesn't seem to account for that, though other sites do. I'm not sure why they don't, so maybe best to stick with KBB or other competitors?
2012 BMW 5 Series 550i 5-Year Cost To Own - Kelley Blue Book
Lets use plain logic here, do you really believe it costs 22k over 5 years and 75k miles in maintenance and repairs (with a 4 year 50k mile maintenance agreement & bumper to bumper warranty)?
If you do then there is no more to discuss.
I believe in objective numbers gathered by 3rd parties with a relevant interest in the industry. I also believe in comparing competitors numbers in an industry, e.g. Edmunds, KBB, etc.
Your belief is based in...?
spatterso911
P100DL - Raven
The KBB data looks more real world and closer to my experience. They definitely account for the warranty and maintenance programs. Without a maintenance program, the car will run around that much for recommended maintenance (real world, NOT BMW current schedule) every 15K miles. The repairs estimates are confusing though.
jimbakker666
Member
I clicked on the TMO link in your post (in the first part of your post0, because I was interested in what "TMO" was. You put a link to it, and I checked it out. I didn't click the "Mercedes" link because I wasn't concerned with the Mercedes-specific TMO. I just wanted to know what TMO was, and I posted what it was so everyone understood. Am I forgiven now?
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FYI, it's TCO (Total Cost of Ownership, of which maintenance is one of the components), not TMO.
jimbakker666
Member
Very interesting. If you look at a 2012 BMW on Edmunds, it accounts for the free maintenance. If you look at a 2007, it doesn't. Maybe it assumes if you look at a 2007 you're looking as if you're buying a used one and thus don't get the maintenance?
2012 BMW 5 Series 2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo 8-speed Automatic True Cost to Own
2007 BMW 5 Series 3.0L 6-cyl. 6-speed Manual True Cost to Own
No, one TMO reference and I'd write off as a typo, but with so many I honestly thought you didn't realize it was TCO.
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