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Jonathan Hewitt
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I was surprised to see this on my Amazon.com home page:
For those unfamiliar with amazonvehicles you can leave reviews for your cars there!
For those unfamiliar with amazonvehicles you can leave reviews for your cars there!
racer26
Active Member
10 day shutdown for factory retooling? If true, only 2 things I can think of that would cause that.
1) A relatively major change to S/X such as installing HUDs (though I would've thought they could do that faster than 10 days)
2) Installing Model 3 production equipment in a location that necessitates temporarily stopping the S/X line (but I thought that wasn't to be the case either.
Interesting.
DragonWatch
Small FootPrint
As a long term investor coupled with being a retired senior army officer having worked for a living; worked my way up from private ~ I say if you want to argue facts then go off on VW for lying. Every year I kept my job or got promoted an academy elitist lost out and talk about dealing with hate and falsehoods OMG what a bunch of yellow rain ants.
I have driven the MX and have a reservation for a M3. While I was unnerved during my test drive of the MX on the first Auto Assist parking job I got over it the second time. According to TV commercials from ICE auto manufacturers they have had that feature for years. Is that true or false that those ICE cars can in fact park themselves? Additionally Fareday recently unveiled their version of a fully autonomous EV and it parked after driving through a parking lot in the dark, found a spot and parked. We're they lying? I did notice that it passed a empty spot on the end of the row, why? Was it because the sensors must detect another car present; thus two cars to perform the parking feature in between them. Are the sensors limited and cannot use only lines? Hell I do not know ~ without driving it myself I will never know the truth beyond what I have seen with my eyes and read. I do know from first hand experience that remote control (RC) works in reality. Was the ICE cars parking in commercials really a RC job. I do not know and neither do you.
I do know the AI driving capability is an extremely competitive field right now and those manufacturers that get there ahead of the pack will smack down the rest of the field, bar none EV or ICE cars. Tesla has been fighting WW III against the ICE manufacturers and the Fossil Fuel Industry (FFI), and is winning. How do I know they are winning. Look at the push back from not only ICE and FFI, but currpt politions around the country. Are we really going to do away with the EPA? Are politions really wanting to make it legal to run over protesters if the get in your way? Really.
Supposedly Russia's first nuc warheads were full of dirty nuclear dust and not fully nuclear capable. That was done to scar the world while they kept working on the real thing. Did that really happen?
Since Tesla came on the scene I have followed its progress. The media, based on writers of both real facts and bogus facts have tried to discredit Tesla. Yes, in the beginning most were slap happy, but as Tesla became more and more of a threat it became evident that ICE & FFI wanted to cut Tesla off at the wheel caps (knee caps ~ get it?). Every time Tesla emerged from the fires like a bird from the ashes ~ heard of that before? You pick the topic and research the real facts and you will see positive results.
None of us on this site know for a fact that Tesla in the video is fully autonomous or not ~ none of us. What does Tesla have to gain with falsehoods? A little bit of glory or casting fear in its opponents? If they put a bogus product in the hands of movie drivers and the system does not function Tesla will end up like VW. Tesla is far and above that in case you are slow.
So, is your attempt to discredit Tesla AI system funded by the ICE manufacturers, FFI, the Russian's or corrupt politions? At this point who gives a damn if a video is doctored? The proof will be in the pudding. Does it work as advertised when Joe Jeep drives it.
I'll know after saving all those aluminum cans, collecting old news papers and helping village idiots across the street and buy my MX this year.
I have driven the MX and have a reservation for a M3. While I was unnerved during my test drive of the MX on the first Auto Assist parking job I got over it the second time. According to TV commercials from ICE auto manufacturers they have had that feature for years. Is that true or false that those ICE cars can in fact park themselves? Additionally Fareday recently unveiled their version of a fully autonomous EV and it parked after driving through a parking lot in the dark, found a spot and parked. We're they lying? I did notice that it passed a empty spot on the end of the row, why? Was it because the sensors must detect another car present; thus two cars to perform the parking feature in between them. Are the sensors limited and cannot use only lines? Hell I do not know ~ without driving it myself I will never know the truth beyond what I have seen with my eyes and read. I do know from first hand experience that remote control (RC) works in reality. Was the ICE cars parking in commercials really a RC job. I do not know and neither do you.
I do know the AI driving capability is an extremely competitive field right now and those manufacturers that get there ahead of the pack will smack down the rest of the field, bar none EV or ICE cars. Tesla has been fighting WW III against the ICE manufacturers and the Fossil Fuel Industry (FFI), and is winning. How do I know they are winning. Look at the push back from not only ICE and FFI, but currpt politions around the country. Are we really going to do away with the EPA? Are politions really wanting to make it legal to run over protesters if the get in your way? Really.
Supposedly Russia's first nuc warheads were full of dirty nuclear dust and not fully nuclear capable. That was done to scar the world while they kept working on the real thing. Did that really happen?
Since Tesla came on the scene I have followed its progress. The media, based on writers of both real facts and bogus facts have tried to discredit Tesla. Yes, in the beginning most were slap happy, but as Tesla became more and more of a threat it became evident that ICE & FFI wanted to cut Tesla off at the wheel caps (knee caps ~ get it?). Every time Tesla emerged from the fires like a bird from the ashes ~ heard of that before? You pick the topic and research the real facts and you will see positive results.
None of us on this site know for a fact that Tesla in the video is fully autonomous or not ~ none of us. What does Tesla have to gain with falsehoods? A little bit of glory or casting fear in its opponents? If they put a bogus product in the hands of movie drivers and the system does not function Tesla will end up like VW. Tesla is far and above that in case you are slow.
So, is your attempt to discredit Tesla AI system funded by the ICE manufacturers, FFI, the Russian's or corrupt politions? At this point who gives a damn if a video is doctored? The proof will be in the pudding. Does it work as advertised when Joe Jeep drives it.
I'll know after saving all those aluminum cans, collecting old news papers and helping village idiots across the street and buy my MX this year.
Tesla shutting down production for a week or so per quarter seems to be the norm lately, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Having said that, +1 on @T3slaTulips post above for this particular report for multiple reasons.
JRP3
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Krugerrand
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There's the nutshell. The concept that so many customers, analysts, bears, ear wax makers and orange peel collectors simply can not wrap their brains around or accept.
Constricted thinking is so limiting that you don't know it's limiting because you're being suffocated by it.
racer26
Active Member
Yep.
My product doesn't have to be perfect before it goes to market if I can rapidly repair it in the field as problems arise. It means I can spend less time trying to meticulously test every possible scenario before shipping product and getting it in customers hands where it can be useful even before it is perfect. Customers will find all the little edge case bugs much much faster than Tesla could ever hope to in testing behind the scenes.
Historically, that wasn't an option for cars. Tesla has changed that. Now its a tradeoff between customer annoyance at a feature performing suboptimally until they can fix it, but finding and fixing those problems much more quickly than would be possible with in-house testing. Its a delicate balance to strike, and I think Tesla does a fairly respectable job of it.
Caught this - someone on ebay is offering to upgrade S & X batteries from 60/75 to 90. It's in NC - could it be Mr. Hughes? I wonder if we'll be seeing more of this.
eBayer Offering Tesla Model X & S Battery Upgrades For Just $15,000
eBayer Offering Tesla Model X & S Battery Upgrades For Just $15,000
StapleGun
Member
I just noticed this message on ir.tesla.com website.
I assume it's taking longer than normal due to SCTY, but I'm surprised the date hasn't even been announced yet.
I assume it's taking longer than normal due to SCTY, but I'm surprised the date hasn't even been announced yet.
racer26
Active Member
Been there for over a week, and posted here multiple times over that span.
I agree though, its getting a bit long in the tooth to not even have announced a date yet.
mickificki
Member
Tesla grandfathered in in indiana. Direct sales banned for every other manufacturer.
Tesla escapes ban in Indiana by being ‘grandfathered in’, but the state moves forward with ban on direct sales
Tesla escapes ban in Indiana by being ‘grandfathered in’, but the state moves forward with ban on direct sales
racer26
Active Member
Again, a thing I would've thought they could do in a lot less than 10 days.
The safety issue raised by IIHS was claimed to have already been fixed on new vehicles in production at the time of the IIHS report.
T3slaTulips
Member
BMW i8 is NOT an EV. it goes 14 miles (max) on electricity an then switches to gas and $140,700 (14+gas)
Tesla had 4 self-driving Model X prototypes last year and drove over 500 autonomous miles on public roads
Which is clearly not the same as doctored video.
Why would one exclude the other?
Their current solution is objectively worse than the initial release of AP1.
That is quite rich if you have to ask me where the official report on the issue is. Having to pick between second hand information versus an offical company report to the DMV in compliance with Californian regulations, I take the latter. So I maintain they ran 20 autonomous miles without any disengagements with car SYJXCCE43GF01789 when they filmed that video. Anyway, not even sure why the exact mileage is relevant.
If your TSLA trading correlates EPA rulings:
EPA Administrator moves forward from committee
Dems boycott committee vote, but Republicans unanimously approve Trump's EPA pick - CNNPolitics.com
"Scott Pruitt, President Donald Trump's nominee to serve as administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency, has advanced to the Senate floor.
Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee suspended committee rules following the Democrats' boycott of Pruitt's nomination, which began Wednesday.
Pruitt was approved 11-0.
Committee Chairman John Barrasso told CNN's Manu Raju Thursday ahead of the panel's vote that the panel would do what was necessary to move Pruitt's nomination along.
"Scott Pruitt will be voted out of committee today. He will get to the floor of the United States Senate and he will be confirmed as the next administrator of the EPA," Barrasso said."
EPA Administrator moves forward from committee
Dems boycott committee vote, but Republicans unanimously approve Trump's EPA pick - CNNPolitics.com
"Scott Pruitt, President Donald Trump's nominee to serve as administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency, has advanced to the Senate floor.
Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee suspended committee rules following the Democrats' boycott of Pruitt's nomination, which began Wednesday.
Pruitt was approved 11-0.
Committee Chairman John Barrasso told CNN's Manu Raju Thursday ahead of the panel's vote that the panel would do what was necessary to move Pruitt's nomination along.
"Scott Pruitt will be voted out of committee today. He will get to the floor of the United States Senate and he will be confirmed as the next administrator of the EPA," Barrasso said."
Dealerships really have one role - keep the service bays full. Otherwise, their larger, prettier and wonderful showrooms are places we may visit only once every <n> years. I wouldn't mind seeing automakers go direct sales routes and then the service departments stay within the "dealership" model. GM wanted an even-playing field and if there is one company offering direct sales, they wouldn't mind doing the same nationally. Dealers do not want to lose some of the "control" they have for customers and their F&I offices offering profit-making special services and insuraces on the up-sell. I don't want to go to a "dealer of any kind" and deal. I don't mind putting in an order for something and going and picking it up. Let bartering and bantering die away or stay alive at auctions, flea markets and Marrakkesh Bazars.
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