JRP3
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The question is do you think they know more about their profession than you do?
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The question is do you think they know more about their profession than you do?
mmd
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The question is, do you think anyone inside Tesla except Elon is free to express their opinion without fear of job loss?
You only need to read the story about the female engineer who raised issue about the headliner alignment, and was demoted and eventually left/fired to answer that question. It was a Bloomberg article; posted here by @Cosmacelf.
PS: If your answer is "yes" by any chance, it means you never worked in any of the Silicon valley companies.
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Waiting4M3
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of course not, every critic thinks they know better than the people actually doing the work
anticitizen13.7
Not posting at TMC after 9/17/2018
It is pointless to speculate what might or might not be going on inside Tesla and how it will affect the shipping product. The chances of any retail investor on either side knowing are for all practical purposes 0%.
Nothing anyone says here will have the slightest effect on anything. Unless there are Tesla employees among us who have some power to take or not take actions that alter the course of events.
Place your bets and pray
erthquake
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According to Tesla, she was promoted once after raising the issue.
RobStark
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Yes, yes. Tesla engineers are the smartest while they work at Tesla. But they are the dumbest before they join Tesla, and after they leave and work for others. /s
While at Tesla they are led by Elon Musk.
When not at Tesla they are led by non-founding CEOs who have a different set of incentives and disincentives.
Generally this results in non-optimized work.
Don't compare the bloated, corrupt design and spending practices of the military-industrial complex (especially the Air Force and its usual array of contractors) with the lean and mean approach of Tesla for the Model 3.
I suggest reading the biography of John Boyd by Robert Coram if you want insight into the appalling design and cost overrun issues related to America's combat aircraft. It is a huge problem that goes back decades and is virtually intractable. The F-35 is just the latest predictable disaster. Another great book on this issue is "National Defense" by James Fallows.
The beauty of this approach is that it tests multiple things in parallel that can be tuned in parallel. Instead of having to serially tune the tooling, qualify production parts, and validate the beta/RC cars, they are doing most of it at once. If you have advanced enough design/simulation tools, then you might be able to do 90% of it in parallel because the dependencies are "close" enough. Once you have the final article approved, you are already in "minor tweak" territory for the other pieces.
I'm in IT, and when we go to pilot with a system, we include as much/many near-production infrastructure and systems as we can: We roll out the package or system using our production systems management infrastructure with production-candidate documentation, hold production-candidate training, and test RC help desk procedures.
We do as much as we can in as close to final version as we can for pilot. The advantages are numerous, with time savings in iterations chief amongst them.
Mike Smith
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We do know Peter Hocholdinger is leading the project, and that gives me a lot of confidence that they're making good decisions.
Yes this is my impression of the "skipping beta" right now as well. And I'm cool with that as long as beta testing (real life testing and validating the car) is not skipped.
If Tesla knows what they're doing this could be an incredible opportunity to buy up more factories with fully deveoloped logistics for pennies on the dollar (like the Fremont purchase)... assuming that tarriffs from Australia to Southeast Asia are reasonable. But if it turns out to be more advantageous to put a factory in India and one in China, they probably won't put one in Australia.
Unless they can slap one directly on top of a mine...
For reference, Q4 2017 earnings will not be reported until 2018. I agree that it will be the first quarter where significantly visible profits from Model 3 can be shown (deliveries may start in Q3 but they'll be at a low rate and the margins will look terrible for that quarter). Accordingly, I suspect that we will not see good pricing for a future capital raise until the beginning of 2018, *after* Q4 2017 earnings are reported, or at least after Q4 2017 deliveries are reported.
RobStark
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Australia has Free Trade deals with the United States, New Zealand,Japan, South Korea, and Thailand. Maybe a few other countries with small automotive markets. India has a 100% duty on imported luxury cars which would include Model 3 and China 26%.
So Tesla can already export cars into Australia duty free. Luxury cars pay a 10% luxury tax above $75k AUD.
Australia used to have a 10% duty on car imports and subsidized car production 25% for the cost of manufacturing cars. Still Toyota,Ford and GM could not make it work. When they closed a few years ago Ford/GM said Australian labor was 40% more expensive than US. As factory after factory closed Australia's Australian Manufacturing Workers Union refused any wage concessions.
Maybe Tesla can have an Alien Dreadnought 2.0 in Australia?
Yes.
Unsurprisingly, given the actions of one of those nations, Australia has held off on ratifying it, although the government's position is to press onward with free trade activities within that set of countries.
Unsurprisingly, given the actions of one of those nations, Australia has held off on ratifying it, although the government's position is to press onward with free trade activities within that set of countries.
mmd
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A Fair Future At Tesla | FacebookIt is pointless to speculate what might or might not be going on inside Tesla and how it will affect the shipping product. The chances of any retail investor on either side knowing are for all practical purposes 0%.
Nothing anyone says here will have the slightest effect on anything. Unless there are Tesla employees among us who have some power to take or not take actions that alter the course of events.
Place your bets and pray
OK, yeah, that's a slightly lower conversion price than I was expecting, and a *very* slightly higher interest rate. Coupon may be higher than effective yield if there's high subscription though.
Yeah, several Chinese companies.
In particular, CATL.
A Chinese battery maker is muscling into the EV scene
Watch China for the real competition. The Western automakers are a sideshow and a distraction from an investing point of view.
dennis
Model S Plaid
Very astute of you to base your evaluation of Tesla engineering on their one big f*up with the Model X and ignore their successes with Model S, battery system, supercharging etc.Thanks for the "inside" info, that the engineers who worked on botched Model X are no longer with the company.
Yes, yes. Tesla engineers are the smartest while they work at Tesla. But they are the dumbest before they join Tesla, and after they leave and work for others. /s
There was nothing wrong with the revealed prototype; it was fine. If there had been problems with it, they would have had to do some beta rounds. But it was fine, so they don't have to.
The interior, which wasn't final at the reveal, has not gotten enough design testing, but everything else has.
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