3 day old import P85D crashed while using TACC

[GregHudson]

I took a MS out for a test drive a few nights ago, on a freeway, left lane (I'm in Australia) Autopilot (or whatever its called) was switched ON (by the demonstrator) I was doing 100Kph.
A slow moving car entered from an on-ramp, and I had my left foot hovering over the brake just in case the car did not self-brake, but it did. Slow car moved to center lane, and the MS resumed speed back to 100. BTW, I use left foot braking 100% of the time, as it is much quicker than lifting off the gas, moving left, then pressing the brake.

GH

 

[wk057]

Tesla's Emergency Braking System has been reported by users that it does indeed bring the vehicle to a full stop. But I feel that Tesla only says this to cover their butts if the vehicle is unable to stop in time due to rain, snow, technical reason, space between cars, etc.

Mercedes describes their system in the same manner: https://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-1210220-1-1210348-1-0-0-1210338-0-0-135-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html





And Volvo (Trucks): Error



VW: City Emergency Braking : Volkswagen UK



BMW: BMW i3 : Safety



Quoting EURO NCAP here: Euro NCAP | Autonomous Emergency Braking

And @Andy1

Why is everyone referencing other manufacturers? None of these are Tesla...

Tesla's system does NOT brake to avoid a collision. It brakes when needed and aware with TACC, but if the collision alert goes off it doesn't brake at all if TACC isn't engaged unless, as stated in the manual, the collision is unavoidable. Only reports I've seen are for people while using TACC and it was aware of the collision. TACC != Emergency Braking.

 

[jimmyjohn]

... TACC != Emergency Braking ...

I wish this could be tattooed onto OP.

TACC != Emergency Braking

 

[AndY1]

And @Andy1

Why is everyone referencing other manufacturers? None of these are Tesla...

Because lesser cars than Model S have this feature, which a 100k$ doesn't (yet) have.

 

[hill]

I'm very sorry to learn about this. I hope there were no injuries to your family.

Let me suggest that it's probably not a very good idea to begin conversations with Tesla with the threat of a law suit. I would advise that your first determine how they'll respond. There may be a real issue with the fact that you imported the car through an unauthroized middle man. I regret to say that if Tesla does not have stores or service in Turkey that could be a real problem and not give you much legal footing to stand on.

Yep - it's called 'jurisdiction' . . . a company that doesn't even do business in the country . . . how ya gona haul them into court.
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[mibaro2]

I took a MS out for a test drive a few nights ago, on a freeway, left lane (I'm in Australia) Autopilot (or whatever its called) was switched ON (by the demonstrator) I was doing 100Kph.
A slow moving car entered from an on-ramp, and I had my left foot hovering over the brake just in case the car did not self-brake, but it did. Slow car moved to center lane, and the MS resumed speed back to 100. BTW, I use left foot braking 100% of the time, as it is much quicker than lifting off the gas, moving left, then pressing the brake.

GH

So you tried a new feature (that you had never seen before) with caution and ready for the worst . IMO that is how all new features should be used until you are familiar with them. Heck, even with regen which I had never used before, I was cautious initially with my foot ready to brake if it did not work. Still am. (came in handy driving my first cold day with limited regen).

 

[PatD]

Sorry this happened. I've had my car for about a month and a half and really haven't tried TACC at all because I'm just too nervous to let a computer (And I'm an IT guy!) drive my very expensive car! I enjoy driving, so it doesn't bother me to DRIVE the car!

Those videos on page 18 are very cool - I HAVE been thinking about a good way to test the emergency braking and thought of hanging a tarp somewhere. Would LOVE to a blow up car!! And you KNOW that guy driving the Volvo car was nervous. . .

 

[wycolo]

Again read through OP's postings and found ZERO comments re victims in car in front. Zero, like they don't exist and it was their own fault for being in front of us on a public highway.

Yesterday: a posting that the victim's *car* must've been hit pretty hard, like ~50kph. Wouldn't that bring up the question of the victim's situation, finally?

Takeaway remains: "We are special folk playing highway games. If stuff happens":
1. Daddy will fix it <or>
2. The Chief of Police (who knows Daddy) will fix it for us
3. The Insurance Co will fix it
4. Our Lawyer will fix it
5. Tesla Motors will fix it
6. And let the above-mentioned deal with the victims, why should we have to consider *their* problems when we are so burdened with our own.
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[Larry Chanin]

And right now the car does not have Collision Avoidance, only Collision Warning.

As of version 6.2 of the firmware cars with the sensor array have Automatic Emergency Braking. The limitations are described on page 72 of the manual.

When a frontal collision is considered unavoidable, Automatic Emergency Braking is designed to automatically apply the brakes to reduce the impact.

This is different from Forward Collision Warning which is described on page 70 of the manual.

Larry

 

[JimmyAZ]

Originally Posted by exLeaf
disable it with the speed below 45mph or so, do not confuse give false impression that will work in any situation.

No thanks, nanny state.

I agree. You must have never been in stop-and-go traffic on a freeway. TACC works perfectly in that situation. AND I use it in city driving, paying attention to signals and other traffic. I don't rely on it, but it does ease driving in a new and interesting way. Use it properly. Don't use it at all. But don't try to modify it when you don't understand the downstream effects of your choices.

 

[LetsGoFast]

Stationary objects are very, very difficult to incorporate into a radar based system. Cars parked on the side of the road are just the tip of the iceberg. Radar does not discriminate vertically very well at all, so overhead signs and overpasses are also huge problems and therefore TACC is going to be coded to ignore stationary returns unless it had already locked onto them while they were moving and knows that they are cars.

 

[eepic]

You are right on that and thanks everyone for their supportive attitude in that regards. After all they probably impacted with the car in front of them fairly fast (around 50-60kph) and things could've gone much worse if they weren't in a Tesla. I too am glad they are all O.K.

But then again reading you are a stock manipulator when in maybe one of your darkest moments doesn't feel very good. (that's just one example) I'm not saying "everyone" was bashing and all generalisations are wrong. I just wanted to share how I felt.

Setting aside the driver-at-fault commentary for a moment, I want to thank you and your friend for supporting Tesla. I can see it taking a lot of initiative and effort to go out of your way to import a Model S to a country without Tesla's official presence.

While I think the initial post/title rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, you quickly and fairly admitted error there and have been very reasonable in your responses.. whereas some of the members here are still being quite harsh. Folks - OP is agreeing the driver is at fault, he's just looking for advice and support on next steps.

I'm glad everyone is okay here, and I hope Tesla will help work everything out between your friend and his insurance. While Tesla is not obligated to do anything here, I think it would be a great gesture to try to help evangelists like yourself in a region they haven't expanded to yet.

 

[JimmyAZ]

I agree with the previous comment from eepic. The initial posts caused some prejudice towards the OP, but after reading through I am happy to see that it was just initial anger at the accident itself. And I'm SO happy that your family are okay.

Best of luck in the repair and return of the Tesla. In my dealings with minor fixes on my car, I see the service centers ready to bend over backward to make my experience as perfect as possible. Hopefully with luck you will have the same experience in Vienna. Please keep us informed as to the progress. We all can learn a great deal from this experience and how it's followed through.

 

[XxCyberHackerxX]

It constantly amazes the the numbers of people who import a car to an unsupported country particularly when it requires specialist knowledge, parts and equipment to fix. Not to mention how they manage to crash them regularly. The performance of the vehicle is not forgiving to unsafe drivers or show offs...

I really think they should go to Tesla with their tail between their legs and beg them to help rather than threatening to sue them.

Amen!

 

[emir-t]

I agree with the previous comment from eepic. The initial posts caused some prejudice towards the OP, but after reading through I am happy to see that it was just initial anger at the accident itself. And I'm SO happy that your family are okay.

Best of luck in the repair and return of the Tesla. In my dealings with minor fixes on my car, I see the service centers ready to bend over backward to make my experience as perfect as possible. Hopefully with luck you will have the same experience in Vienna. Please keep us informed as to the progress. We all can learn a great deal from this experience and how it's followed through.

Setting aside the driver-at-fault commentary for a moment, I want to thank you and your friend for supporting Tesla. I can see it taking a lot of initiative and effort to go out of your way to import a Model S to a country without Tesla's official presence.

While I think the initial post/title rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, you quickly and fairly admitted error there and have been very reasonable in your responses.. whereas some of the members here are still being quite harsh. Folks - OP is agreeing the driver is at fault, he's just looking for advice and support on next steps.

I'm glad everyone is okay here, and I hope Tesla will help work everything out between your friend and his insurance. While Tesla is not obligated to do anything here, I think it would be a great gesture to try to help evangelists like yourself in a region they haven't expanded to yet.

thanks a lot. I will update this thread as things move on. As of yet Tesla has been very quick and helpful. At time of the accident ownership of the vehicle on Tesla's side was still the importer. We sent the documents necessary and they've changed it very quickly. They also said it was impossible for them to send parts nor to estimate a cost for fixing the vehicle. They could aid with finding a way / help to transport the crashed Model S to Vienna. We also asked if there was a way to get in the car as door handles retracted and there's no power. They said that's because the 12V battery is disconnected from the main battery for security reasons but the 12V baytery got depleted. They also said because the 3G of Tesla doesn't work in Turkey they can't access the car. They offered us to use liftgate for entry but zi'm not wuite sure how that is possible. Maybe if some of you do know any help would be greatly appreciated.

The ball's on Turkish insurance company's court now. We'll see how things go.

Thanks again for the support.

P.s. There were a few people asking , rightfully so. The Ford occupents are also alright says the driver. No one except our lovely brand new Model S was hurt. Oh well, it could've been worse I guess. (remember the Model S that crashed into the Tesla sign at delivery?)

 

[XxCyberHackerxX]

Not to veer off-topic, but I wish people will learn the truth about the McD's lawsuit. It was legit and just a few minutes worth of research would show that.

Here's one photo...

In what world is it okay for a company to sell coffee so hot that it can cause these kinds of burns?

Really? Dude seriously stay on the topic at hand I don't expect to come on a tesla forum to see this

 

[Archer]

Sorry, didn't read through all of the posts.

 

[XxCyberHackerxX]

Sorry, didn't read through all of the posts.

It's all good

 

[Archer]

Done.

 

[bhzmark]

When tacc locks on to a moving car and that car steers around a stationary object, tacc assumes you will follow that car.
If there is a stationary object ahead, including dead head, tacc assumes you will steer around it. Do that, or apply the brakes yourself.

Lesson to give in deliveries.