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Diehard7
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My question is will A1.0 be able to learn from the advanced suite installed in cars w/A.2.0? My wet dream is that considering the roads are the same & the cars are traveling many of the same roads will Tesla share the fleet learning between the 2 versions? It would be dope if the A1.0 slow kids could cheat off the test of the A2.0 kids to better negotiate turns and roads.
They may not have had as much choice as you're suggesting. We all know that the weren't going to renew the Mobileye contract given the terms offered.
It didn't really occur to me until after this announcement, but this is almost exactly two years from the first Mobileye deliveries; if they had typical annual contacts, the second one probably ended at the end of September.
I suspect that the reason they launched the new hardware without the developed neural net is that they ran out of time because of the Mobileye split.
Jeff4155
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Tesla states that it will still update AP1.0 vehicles in the future, think of it as an Apple phone, you buy the latest and greatest iphone 7 and you get all the features (AP2.0) you buy an iphone 5 you still get ios 10 but with less capability, some features will be missing but it still better than a phone exploding in your ear (ICE vehicle) 
They could certainly use the data to improve mapping/nav and such. As far as the neural net, probably not.
Tesla states that it will still update AP1.0 vehicles in the future, think of it as an Apple phone, you buy the latest and greatest iphone 7 and you get all the features (AP2.0) you buy an iphone 5 you still get ios 10 but with less capability, some features will be missing but it still better than a phone exploding in your ear (ICE vehicle)
A better example would be Apple's transition from PowerPC to Intel in 2005 - fundamentally different architecture and different code.
Apple addressed it by keeping separate builds for each processor for the next few major OS X releases with similar functionality, then they sunsetted the PowerPC systems and left them stuck on Leopard (as I recall - I never owned a pre Intel Mac.)
Since we're only talking about the AP systems rather than the car as a whole, I imagine we'll keep seeing upgrades to the cars, but I suspect that in the next couple years they'll more or less stop updating AP1 (unless new rules or standards come along like a car to car communication system for autonomous driving.)
AP 1.0 has limitations in sensors and processing, so while Tesla is committed to providing software updates, it's likely the functionality will plateau in the next year, and after that AP 1.0 updates will mostly be bug fixes. Which is OK, 8.1 is supposed to achieve the originally announced functionality for AP 1.0 - allowing AP to drive from on ramp to off ramp.
We're planning to buy a second Model S to replace my "classic" P85 (VIN 3xxx, 75K miles). We've been waiting for two major features before placing our order. AP 2.0 was one, though we hadn't anticipated Tesla would claim AP 2.0 would (eventually) be able to support self driving. While there will likely be an AP 3.0 several years from now, if self driving works on AP 2.0, then 3.0 would more likely be refinement and cost reductions, and not providing much (if any) new functionality.
The other major feature is a 100D model, which should provide us 20 to 30% more range than our P85. And since the supercharger network is designed so 60 or 75's can (barely) use the network for long distance driving, the 100D would likely ensure we could make every leg between chargers at full highway speeds, and keep charging between 10-80%, at the fastest rates.
With the longer range of the 100D and the self driving features of the new AP, that may be enough for us to keep our next Model S for a very, very long time...
We're planning to buy a second Model S to replace my "classic" P85 (VIN 3xxx, 75K miles). We've been waiting for two major features before placing our order. AP 2.0 was one, though we hadn't anticipated Tesla would claim AP 2.0 would (eventually) be able to support self driving. While there will likely be an AP 3.0 several years from now, if self driving works on AP 2.0, then 3.0 would more likely be refinement and cost reductions, and not providing much (if any) new functionality.
The other major feature is a 100D model, which should provide us 20 to 30% more range than our P85. And since the supercharger network is designed so 60 or 75's can (barely) use the network for long distance driving, the 100D would likely ensure we could make every leg between chargers at full highway speeds, and keep charging between 10-80%, at the fastest rates.
With the longer range of the 100D and the self driving features of the new AP, that may be enough for us to keep our next Model S for a very, very long time...
I am in the same boat. Range is the most important factor for me. If they come out with a 100D, that would make me want to upgrade in a heart beat.
Really? Elon has repeatedly said that emergency features are on by default. So you should not have to pay a single extra dime for 1-2.
I think you missed the part about them being disabled for at least the next 1.5months while they tweak the settings on the new AP cars? They'll be enabled at a later date (expected December) with an OTA update.
Xminus6
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Apple actually made that transition twice, once to PowerPC and then again to Intel X86. I owned computers on all sides of those transitions and they were both remarkably smooth. Sure there was some issues in those gray zones where you could get a fat binary app that would install one version or the other based on your hardware, but it was generally pretty seamless. Of course the older hardware would get gradually deprecated, just like it will for Teslas. 3 or 4 years from now the AP2 suite will probably be insufficient for new features and people will complain about it then too.
Brando
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PLUS Tesla vehicles are probably the safest, quickest, cheapest to operate vehicles sold. I know there are some repeat buyers (user base) but the majority are first time buyers, right?
Build the best, and they will buy (if they want and can afford it).
Buddy
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