lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
Actually most shifter's are electronic these days. There's no cable to snap or stretch.
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An honest review of the yoke
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Yes. But there’s a huge difference between a touch screen or haptic ‘button’ and a physical stalk that one can feel. Ergonomics matter. If Toyota had done this, no one would have come to their defense. As long as we’re on this, Teslas don’t ‘shift’ at all. There are no ratios that change; no clutch; no torque convertor; no physical difference between ‘Drive’, ‘Reverse’, and ‘Neutral’; and ‘Park’ simply applies the small, electric screw-drive calipers to the rear disks. To say a Tesla ‘shifts’ is just anachronistic as ‘gas’ pedal. To replace the latter, I’ve coined the expression ‘electron pump’ which my friends find hilarious; perhaps you do as well
So the ‘shift’ stalk has always been electronic, but I—and thousands of others—love the way it falls to hand for quick maneuvers. It’s satisfying and outrageously quick. In >140k miles driving my 2015 Model S, I almost never come to a complete stop when changing direction—there’s no need; it’s amazingly quick car to swing around in traffic (I live in New York, if you drive there, you know); to thread my car into outrageously tight parking spaces and obstacles; to reverse quickly when someone tries to back into me in a parking lot or away from gridlock (again, New York—it’s a terrible place to drive, but drive we must.)
It’s demonstrably poor ergonomics: on-screen ‘shifting’ ruins not only the feel, but more critically, the lighting-fast directional change response of the outgoing model. Yes, it’s cheaper for Tesla, but in such an expensive car (to which was added a nearly useless rear screen for back-seat passengers), such a cost savings for a worse driving experience is an insult.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
Still have a blackberry?Yes. But there’s a huge difference between a touch screen or haptic ‘button’ and a physical stalk that one can feel. Ergonomics matter. If Toyota had done this, no one would have come to their defense. As long as we’re on this, Teslas don’t ‘shift’ at all. There are no ratios that change; no clutch; no torque convertor; no physical difference between ‘Drive’, ‘Reverse’, and ‘Neutral’; and ‘Park’ simply applies the small, electric screw-drive calipers to the rear disks. To say a Tesla ‘shifts’ is just anachronistic as ‘gas’ pedal. To replace the latter, I’ve coined the expression ‘electron pump’ which my friends find hilarious; perhaps you do as well
So the ‘shift’ stalk has always been electronic, but I—and thousands of others—love the way it falls to hand for quick maneuvers. It’s satisfying and outrageously quick. In >140k miles driving my 2015 Model S, I almost never come to a complete stop when changing direction—there’s no need; it’s amazingly quick car to swing around in traffic (I live in New York, if you drive there, you know); to thread my car into outrageously tight parking spaces and obstacles; to reverse quickly when someone tries to back into me in a parking lot or away from gridlock (again, New York—it’s a terrible place to drive, but drive we must.)
It’s demonstrably poor ergonomics: on-screen ‘shifting’ ruins not only the feel, but more critically, the lighting-fast directional change response of the outgoing model. Yes, it’s cheaper for Tesla, but in such an expensive car (to which was added a nearly useless rear screen for back-seat passengers), such a cost savings for a worse driving experience is an insult.
So you admit you have no legitimate argument against the superior primary control ergonomics of the outgoing Model S? I agree!
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
The Blackberry is great - I have a drawer full and waiting their return...
I also think the yoke is one of this cars best features.
Honestly if Tesla wants to bankrupt itself, all they have to do put the yoke on the 3/Y. This is how you stand behind a foolish decision to show is its really better to something that wasn't flawed to begin with. They will quickly realize it.
WilliamG
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I think it’ll be suicide if they do. Tesla finds itself in an interesting predicament now. If the next Model 3/Y refresh comes with a yoke, they’ll take a battering for it. If it doesn’t come with a yoke, it’ll raise questions. Now, Tesla might argue that since there’s no driver’s display there’s no need for a yoke. Guess we’ll find out!
planetary
EndlessCheese spreader
Best case: they'll make wheel choice an option, and allow people to buy the other option post-delivery in the app (installed by mobile service). Let it phase in naturally.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
1. Musk has demonstrated incredible resistance to admitting when he’s been wrong.
2. I don’t hate the actual yoke; I despise the awful haptic controls, in particular the wandering turn signals, the stupid horn ‘button’ placement, and the slow, awkward on-screen direction selection (formerly known as “shifting.”) These new controls are demonstrably worse than stalks in every way and we’re most likely stuck with them, whether or not round wheels become available through any avenue including the aftermarket.
3. I predict that the stalkless controls will soon infect the entire fleet, to Tesla’s great detriment.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
Weird, I totally disagree with that. I think the haptic feedback works fine, especially the turn signals. Much prefer that to a stalk.
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
Especially with the latest update. It is much stronger and audible.
mkspeedr
Member
The more I use the yoke the more I like it. My big wish would be an option to adjust the steering ratio.
planetary
EndlessCheese spreader
mkspeedr
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So, 3 months with the yoke now.
My feeling have not changed--I like the yoke better than the wheel--I think it has better ergonomics and overall and, paired with the stalkless controls, makes for a better control scheme. Driving my wife's X feels like a step backwards at this point--having most controls under my thumbs and maintaining a firm grip on the yoke at all times seems better--as I've described other places, it is ergonomically similar to and Xbox or Playstation game controller.
It is not perfect, the force touch button scheme still needs refining--the changes in the last update were a step in the right direction, and I'd expect Tesla to continue to tweak and add functionality.
My feeling have not changed--I like the yoke better than the wheel--I think it has better ergonomics and overall and, paired with the stalkless controls, makes for a better control scheme. Driving my wife's X feels like a step backwards at this point--having most controls under my thumbs and maintaining a firm grip on the yoke at all times seems better--as I've described other places, it is ergonomically similar to and Xbox or Playstation game controller.
It is not perfect, the force touch button scheme still needs refining--the changes in the last update were a step in the right direction, and I'd expect Tesla to continue to tweak and add functionality.
Hayseed_MS
Spreader of "Endless Non Sequitur"
That is just silly talk. You know the yoke will wake up and kill you in your sleep.
Also, in this thread, actual use and experience in favor do not count as validity.
One other point--given 3/Y buyers tend to skew younger than S/X, I would guess yoke grumbling will actually be lower with the 3/Y.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
My wife took it for a spin for the first time this afternoon. The words, ”this is stupid “ were muttered under her breath. 
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