No you weren't told that. It was expected or anticipated, not that it WOULD happen. Anyone who did the slightest bit of research on their six figure purchase would have seen that Tesla's time predictions are always optimistic.
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Then, ignoring when it might happen...
He didn't say parity. He said auto dimming headlights, auto park, summon, and autosteer off highways should be out next month. That may not include TACC up to 90 MPH, autosteer to 90 MPH, or autosteer off the highway at any reasonable speed. Other differences between AP1 and HW2 could also exist even if he does deliver in the next 50 days. So we could have all the marketing bullet points as parity with AP1, but it may be significantly restricted in use, and Tesla would still have met their CEO's statement.
Oh, and March 31st at 9pm to 1,000 cars, just like Autosteer was "released in December".
He didn't say parity. He said auto dimming headlights, auto park, summon, and autosteer off highways should be out next month. That may not include TACC up to 90 MPH, autosteer to 90 MPH, or autosteer off the highway at any reasonable speed. Other differences between AP1 and HW2 could also exist even if he does deliver in the next 50 days. So we could have all the marketing bullet points as parity with AP1, but it may be significantly restricted in use, and Tesla would still have met their CEO's statement.
Oh, and March 31st at 9pm to 1,000 cars, just like Autosteer was "released in December".
Tesla agents and employees were definitely telling everyone that we'd get the same autopilot features by end of 2016. I know I was and I heard all the other sales people telling other customers. Denying what that person was told is just odd since you don't know.
johnzhang22
Member
I know they weren't going to get parity in December, and that Tesla was being optimistic, that's why I didn't take delivery of my AP2 car until late January. Still, I'm a bit disappointed of what I'm getting so far.
Jrogville
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lunitiks
Cool James & Black Teacher
What Tesla said in writing on the website was more nuanced. Either the employee didn't get the nuance or you didn't hear it. Either way, don't believe any salesperson who says a product will have a certain feature by a certain date, Tesla or otherwise. With Tesla I'll say again, even though it earned me 4 disagrees above (and counting), someone making a 6 figure purchase should do some research beyond what a salesman says. When has any Tesla product or software feature ever appeared "on time"?
TexLaw
Member
And none of them have anything to do with making it actually happen.
If there is a constant to Tesla, it is that things happen when they happen, not before, and without much regard for anyone's estimate (incliding Elon's).
I've been a homebrewer for over twenty-three years. Charlie Papazian, the guy that started up the American Homebrewer's Association, has a wonderful saying that many of us have taken to heart: "Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew." Often, it gets abbreviated to "RDWHAHB."
Tesla drivers and prospective ones might want to adopt a simlar philosophy: RDWDYT, or "Relax. Don't worry. Drive your Tesla."
What you're saying is beyond what anyone should have to do no matter how much the transaction. Tesla employee statements are reliable legally as much as what is written on their website. No amount of due diligence would overcome those definitive statements clearly made to induce sales in Q4. Otherwise many would've held off or bought heavily discounted inventory hw1. You can blame the buyers all you want but it doesn't make sense and it contradicts the law of both contacts and consumer fraud. By all means wear you disagrees as a badge of pride but your position is untenable.
All this kerfuffle will be forgotten when hardware 2 exceeds AP 1.0 (and it surely will) and Tesla's start zig zagging through traffic and tskingnexits on their own. The AP 1.0 whining was long and loud - and the it was crickets as soon as it was released.
And none of them have anything to do with making it actually happen.
If there is a constant to Tesla, it is that things happen when they happen, not before, and without much regard for anyone's estimate (incliding Elon's).
I've been a homebrewer for over twenty-three years. Charlie Papazian, the guy that started up the American Homebrewer's Association, has a wonderful saying that many of us have taken to heart: "Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew." Often, it gets abbreviated to "RDWHAHB."
Tesla drivers and prospective ones might want to adopt a simlar philosophy: RDWDYT, or "Relax. Don't worry. Drive your Tesla."
I never said I believe Elon on this (cause I don't) - I just say that is what he SAID. And that was in response to the OP's question.
I personally don't believe things like Summon and AutoPark will be here before summer (if even then). And notice I used BEFORE and not BY even though they are SYNONYMS.
I better add a smiley before people take all of this too seriously
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
This is incorrect from every single English usage discussion I have seen on this matter. "By" means "on or before", inclusive of the period in question. "Before" is not inclusive of the period in question.
Some google references:
Sorry for putting on the grammar nazi hat
.In practical usage, many times this difference does not matter, so they are used interchangeably, but in some cases it does matter (for example for deadlines). An example that affects me personally is the IRS tax payment deadlines. Here's what it says on the IRS page, just as a concrete example:
"If you don't pay enough tax by the due date of each payment period, you may be charged a penalty even if you're due a refund when you file your income tax return at the end of the year.
If you mail your estimated tax payment and the date of the U.S. postmark is on or before the due date, the IRS will generally consider the payment to be on time. If you use IRS Direct Pay, you can make payments up to 8 p.m. Eastern time on the due date. If you use a credit or a debit card, you can make payments up to midnight on the due date."
Individuals
So a literal reading of what Elon said is anytime in March is fair game.
deonb
Active Member
Absolutely not. We've tried English before to interpret Tesla time - it was a miserable failure.
This is incorrect from every single English usage discussion I have seen on this matter. "By" means "on or before", inclusive of the period in question. "Before" is not inclusive of the period in question.
Some google references:
Sorry for putting on the grammar nazi hat
In practical usage, many times this difference does not matter, so they are used interchangeably, but in some cases it does matter (for example for deadlines). An example that affects me personally is the IRS tax payment deadlines. Here's what it says on the IRS page, just as a concrete example:
"If you don't pay enough tax by the due date of each payment period, you may be charged a penalty even if you're due a refund when you file your income tax return at the end of the year.
If you mail your estimated tax payment and the date of the U.S. postmark is on or before the due date, the IRS will generally consider the payment to be on time. If you use IRS Direct Pay, you can make payments up to 8 p.m. Eastern time on the due date. If you use a credit or a debit card, you can make payments up to midnight on the due date."
Individuals
So a literal reading of what Elon said is anytime in March is fair game.
Even your google references do not support your conclusion. The one literally says by and before are synonyms. Goggle 'definition of by'
If I'm working on a project and say I need something by Weds and someone gives it to me ON weds the it is LATE. I want it BY weds so I can work on it ON weds not after.
Go ahead and be the faux grammar nazi all you want. I'm done with this ridiculous discussion. It really doesn't matter. Elon was wrong about the dec/Jan deadlines and he'll be wrong about this one whether it's the end of Feb or March. The software will still not be at AP1 parity.
lunitiks
Cool James & Black Teacher
Omg. So they screwed up their "deadline" (january). They put cameras in with wrong pitch angle. Their main man turned on them and got fired - like a dog. Stuff happens, RDWHAHB. We'll get it in march... Hopefully...
EV-lutioin
Active Member
Well I guess the silver lining to being stuck with AP1 is that we don't have to guess when it will be operative I am sure in a few months you AP2 folks will be very happy.
I am sure in a few months you AP2 folks will be very happy.
Uncle Paul
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Didn't anybody notice the word "Should". Means that this is their plan, and that if everythings goes well there is a good chance that it will be available sometime in March. If a glitch comes up it might be later.
He is just giving insight into his informed belief when parity will be obtained.
Cut the guy some slack.
He is just giving insight into his informed belief when parity will be obtained.
Cut the guy some slack.
theslimshadyist
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