AP1 Promises That Never Came To Be

[divesturner]

Remember this image for AP1?

AP1

• divesturner
• Oct 26, 2016

The only marginal aspect in real life is the blind spot monitoring. I truly wonder if the side-facing sonar dots are even active or perhaps mis aligned to see the body of most cars.

A minor gripe among a very positive experience of Model S ownership.

 

[Naonak]

I don't "hold" mine. I do a full press until it locks on. Then I disengage after the transition is complete. Just like I do for manual changes. You hold it the whole time?

Yes, I absolutely hold it. I don't want the blinker stuck on for no apparent reason after the transition is complete. Also, my OCD when it comes to wear and tear kicks in and pushing it past the detent wears it out faster. That's ridiculous, I know, but there it is.

But more importantly, sometimes it won't change lanes at all or is very slow to change lanes, so clicking it up and letting it sit with the blinker on for 30 seconds and not changing lanes is kind of cat-lady crazy... so just pushing it up, if it doesn't immediately start changing lanes like it %#@$ should, I manually take control and change lanes.

The change lanes feature is pretty crappy, honestly. The lane changing is too slow, works only intermittently, and requires about as much interaction as just doing it yourself.

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

Can someone with a better memory remind me if there were any promised AP1 features that we never got?

I vaguely recall them saying AP1 would give you the functionality of being able to have the car go park itself in a lot but obviously that never came to pass. Given the hardware suite on the car I'm not sure I'd want it to either.

Were there any aspects of Autopilot that Tesla never delivered on?

archive.org is priceless for questions like these. I just started a thread about missing summon capabilities using teslamotors.com website from 30 March, 2015.

 

[brianman]

Yes, I absolutely hold it. I don't want the blinker stuck on for no apparent reason after the transition is complete. Also, my OCD when it comes to wear and tear kicks in and pushing it past the detent wears it out faster. That's ridiculous, I know, but there it is.

But more importantly, sometimes it won't change lanes at all or is very slow to change lanes, so clicking it up and letting it sit with the blinker on for 30 seconds and not changing lanes is kind of cat-lady crazy... so just pushing it up, if it doesn't immediately start changing lanes like it %#@$ should, I manually take control and change lanes.

The change lanes feature is pretty crappy, honestly. The lane changing is too slow, works only intermittently, and requires about as much interaction as just doing it yourself.

I guess people are just different. I press to the click, wait for it to change, and then turn it off. Works fine for me.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I can assure you. I will.

I don't allow people or companies to screw me over on money. It is just my personal policy. A former employer ended up writing me a $150,000 severance package about 10 months after I was fired. At the time they told me, "under our policy, you are not eligible for a severance package". I can assure you, I am ALWAYS eligible. I do not ever allow those things to slide.

Tesla has a history of providing refunds in these cases. The carbon fiber T top for my old Roadster was massively delayed after delivery. I just asked for my $5,000 back and they gave it, no questions asked. The same thing will happen on the $3,000 FSDC features if they end up not happening as claimed.

But I am not risking it. I am only doing the Enhanced AP with my upcoming car.



We have consumer protection laws in this country. If Tesla is charging people $3,000 for all of the FSDC features listed online, then they have to deliver on it or provide a refund. It is really that simple.

Some people are very forgiving and give Tesla a pass on timelines and a lot of other issues. A lot of people probably won't demand a $3,000 refund. But those that do, will quietly be provided a refund if AP 2 fails to deliver as "promised". It AP 2 ends up only being capable of the features in Enhanced AP, then I can assure you that Tesla will be forking over $3,000 to owners that complain up the chain at Tesla.

This isn't even a close call. Tesla is not going to burn bridges with customers over $3,000 if FSDC becomes an issue. They provided a list of features, priced it at $3,000 and sold it. They either deliver or provide the refund. Very simple.

I am astounded you haven't gotten any dislikes.

 

[Garlan Garner]

You didn't miss anything. AP 1 does not read any stop signs or traffic signals.


Kinda makes you wonder about those bold promises about AP 2

Why haven't you received any dislikes?

 

[Garlan Garner]

Yes, I absolutely hold it. I don't want the blinker stuck on for no apparent reason after the transition is complete. Also, my OCD when it comes to wear and tear kicks in and pushing it past the detent wears it out faster. That's ridiculous, I know, but there it is.

But more importantly, sometimes it won't change lanes at all or is very slow to change lanes, so clicking it up and letting it sit with the blinker on for 30 seconds and not changing lanes is kind of cat-lady crazy... so just pushing it up, if it doesn't immediately start changing lanes like it %#@$ should, I manually take control and change lanes.

The change lanes feature is pretty crappy, honestly. The lane changing is too slow, works only intermittently, and requires about as much interaction as just doing it yourself.

Do you know why I said I was astounded these people didn't get any dislikes?

Because in another thread - I got tons of dislikes when I said something unfavorable to Tesla. This time I didn't even say anything against tesla and you gave me dislikes anyway. LOL wow.

 

[Naonak]

Do you know why I said I was astounded these people didn't get any dislikes?

Because in another thread - I got tons of dislikes when I said something unfavorable to Tesla. This time I didn't even say anything against tesla and you gave me dislikes anyway. LOL wow.

Your double posts aren't adding anything to the conversation. You literally posted twice in a row complaining that people didn't dislike someone else's comments. At the very least, you could have multiquoted it and confined it to one post.

 

[RocketGoBoom]

I am astounded you haven't gotten any dislikes.

Why? All I wrote was that I don't let companies take money from me without delivering on their promises.

And my comments were just saying that Tesla does it the right way. Tesla does provide refunds if they fail to deliver. Example: my carbon fiber T top for my Roadster. Tesla provided the $5,000 refund when they couldn't deliver within a reasonable time frame.

 

[jmsurpri]

I think a reasonable solution is for Tesla to allow all us AP1 owners to roll over to an AP2 car for the cost of (AP2-AP1)

 

[Garlan Garner]

Your double posts aren't adding anything to the conversation. You literally posted twice in a row complaining that people didn't dislike someone else's comments. At the very least, you could have multiquoted it and confined it to one post.

So you disliked my posts because I didn't combine them? Is that right?

 

[Max*]

Can you guys take this to PM? No one really cares and it's way off topic.

 

[habanero69]

They also did not fully implement the auto speed change with speed limit signs, and which genius decided that +5 over the speed limit was an acceptable unchangeable default?

Tesla LAWYERS. That's who...

 

[Garlan Garner]

Tesla LAWYERS. That's who...

Can you guys take this to PM? No one really cares and it's way off topic.

Yeah, I guess I would rather read this argument.

 

[Max*]

Yeah, I guess I would rather read this argument.

Is his point not valid?

 

[Garlan Garner]

Is his point not valid?

NO. We aren't talking about this right?

I'm being told how to say things and when to say them. As you wish...I'm not talking about this.

 

[Max*]

You lost me. Did you mean to quote someone else?

 

[davidc18]

My point with the AP auto speed set on restricted roads is that we should be able to change the +5 to some lower number that we set. The function would be more user friendly if I/we could have it set the actual speed limit or another, lower limit. + is arbitrary and not always the best number.

 

[Garlan Garner]

Does anyone have confidence that AP2's promises are coming true?

I kinda think so because some of the features seem to be shared with another company. Nvidia. seems to be involved to some point.

If you have an extra hour.....you can watch this.

It looks like Elons promises for AP2 / L5 may already be finished.

 

[Garlan Garner]

My point with the AP auto speed set on restricted roads is that we should be able to change the +5 to some lower number that we set. The function would be more user friendly if I/we could have it set the actual speed limit or another, lower limit. + is arbitrary and not always the best number.

I agree, however I wonder if Elon can get APX.X through government approval with their users being able to create automotive automatic 100mph missiles at their whim.