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auto pilot could be dangerous sometimes

Discussion in 'Model X: Driving Dynamics' started by mchen123, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. mchen123

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    today i took my mx to the city from long.island. there was a short distance on 495 which is.under construction with curvy lanes and no lane markers. my autopilot went really.close to.hitting the rear.of.a.van.on the right lane. i had to take over and brake abruptly to avoid a collision. i wonder what happened with all the cameras and.sensors that claimed it supposed to be safer.than.human driving?
    i am.not.counting on it after what happened.
    stay focused on the road!
     
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  2. bhzmark

    bhzmark Supporting Member

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    That is off label usage.

    Don't use it on roads under construction
    Don't use it on roads with no lane markings.
     
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  3. kort677

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    you obviously haven't read the instructions for usage of the AP system, do your self a favor by reading and adhering to those instructions.
     
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    could you explain what part of reading the instructions and operating the vehicle safely do you disagree with
     
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    Probably the tone of "voice" in your comment, "You obviously haven't read the instructions...". Could have been put a nicer way.
     
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    Piloting a 6000 pound vehicle is a very serious matter that should require a stern "voice" if you are doing it dangerously.
     
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  7. 3s-a-charm

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    Ok.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    We're Canadian. Can't help being nice all the time.
     
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  10. Jim P.

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    While using auto-steering requires less physical involvement, it requires much more mental involvement. Anyone not heeding that requirement is a candidate for the Darwin club.
     
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    Tesla autopilot hits crash barrier (no additional info provided)

     
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    Looking at the video, I could not even see the road. Maybe autosteerig is "supposed" to see it. I don't know....

    At the end of the day, we can complain all we want but in a situation like this I would just take over. We should expect the car can avoid this accident since it is "beta".
     
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  13. Doctt

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    Agreed 100%

    My BMW X5 has adaptive cruise control and stop & go feature. It works extremely well 99.9% of the time. Still, sometimes I have more mental drain that driving it myself. In a busy intersection in fwy, I just take over until the traffic becomes steady (even in slow traffic)
     
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    A case can be made AP should not have been available in this situation.

    If camera is blinded by sun glare turn off AP or warn driver immediately.
     
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    This is a clear sign that you should have turned off AP once you saw the construction. AP is an aide to drivers and is still fairly new.

    You should know better.
     
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    if sun glare is affecting the camera the system usually will not engage, however I do not know if it will disengage if it gets "confused" by glare.
     
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    Only use AP1 in clear marked roads, be weary if close to a divider wall, and aware than any shiny road or direct/indirect bright sunlight can mess it up as well.

    Love AP1 in slow top and go traffic. Do use it on higher speed clearly marked freeways but even then I do monitor it well - had too many close calls over the last 2 years.

    Be aware, its a temporary assist at most IMHO. Sure hope AP2 improves one day.

    -T
     
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    Video clearly shows camera functionality was impaired so should AP given an alert or turned itself off prior to accident, many thresholds & limits are set by Tesla, when a critical sensor like a camera is quickly blinded does it give warning?

    Please leave driver out of this, we know, driver responsibilities have been discussed ad nauseam.
     
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    My AP always turns of in sun glare, snow or rain. Anytime it does not have a clear view.

    What this video shows is their dash cam video glare not the AP glare.
     
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    sorry but I disagree, if the driver was alert and monitoring the car he'd have noticed the system wasn't functioning properly and he should have immediately assumed manual control. I've had many experiences of the car doing weird things while the AP was in control, you need to be ready for anything.
     
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