Autonomous Car Progress

[Madmolecule]

Tesla FSD is safer than humans. Elon is so confident that Tesla Insurance will hold users harmless if using FSD.

@EVNow "FSD + Human has better accident rate than just human"
Im sorry but that is not FSD it is automated driver assistance. Or a computer with human assistance, but is certainly is NOT FSD!

So the safest Teslas on the road are ones were owners contributed to Tesla FSD kickstarter program and have agreed to be free Beta Testers and train the model?

How does Vision only make eye contact at intersections and in parking lots and interprets gestures. I bet Tesla has a lot of Big Data on "people giving it the bird"

 

[EVNow]

but is certainly is NOT FSD!

Don't be pedantic. We all know what "FSD" means.

 

[EVNow]

1+1 = 2

I know you Tesla fans love to say one thing in a vacuum and then say another thing in another vacuum.
But the real world doesn't work like that.

You wrote the below obvious lie. I'll give you one more chance to apologize. Just cobbling different sentences from different posts doesn't "prove" anything.

I was not even involved in whatever discussion you were having when you called me out. Show me where I've said "Tesla is safer than Waymo/Cruise".

I've positive proof that you are wrong and infact called out people both on this forum and on Twitter who incorrectly compared Cruise and Tesla numbers. So apologize if you have even a shred of decency.

 

[powertoold]

I stopped reasoning with bladerskb after that BMW traffic light feature "release" (still no definitive evidence of release after 2 years)

 

[Madmolecule]

Don't be pedantic. We all know what "FSD" means.

I did have to look up pedantic, because I didn't know what that meant either.
"Annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter"

Yes after four years I feel FSD is Not FSD or even close.

What does FSD mean?

Is it what I was Sold?
Is it what Elon said it would become?
Is it just cruise control?

what it doesn't do is make my life easier, safer, or less stressful. It also does not make it easier or less stressful for the other cars on the road.

When will I not have to take 100% responsibility for Tesla's Hardware, Software, manufacturing and testing?
When can I quit the R&D department and become an "owner" of the Product I purchased?
When can I make a FSD warranty claim, based on "what FSD means"?

 

[EVNow]

what it doesn't do is make my life easier, safer, or less stressful.

There are thousands of posts on these topics. Checkout other threads.

 

[KLam]

‘Incompetent’ driverless cars are wreaking havoc on San Francisco

Cruise and Waymo's driverless cars are still stalling out and nearly causing accidents in San Francisco, reports show.

www.sfgate.com

Interesting !

 

[stopcrazypp]

STOP. No one compares FSD vs Non FSD.

That person just did, I even pointed out the post! And it is that post I am discussing and the two people were arguing about. You went off on another tangent making a different comparison and arguing a different point.

As others pointed out you later try to tie two different posts to shoehorn it into your argument (making it a comparison between Tesla and Waymo/Cruise), but the person never made that claim. They were only talking about FSD+Human vs Human, which the Tesla vs Tesla comparison is sufficient to show.

This avoids all the noise about the differences between police reports vs Tesla data gathering.

 

[EVNow]

I stopped reasoning with bladerskb after that BMW traffic light feature "release" (still no definitive evidence of release after 2 years)

My reply to this was moved to "snippiness" - apparently the policy is obviously anti-Tesla people can come and write whatever BS they want, but if you call them out it is a no-no.

 

[spacecoin]

My reply to this was moved to "snippiness" - apparently the policy is obviously anti-Tesla people can come and write whatever BS they want, but if you call them out it is a no-no.

Yeah that must be it. The admins joined TSLAQ...

 

[Dewg]

‘Incompetent’ driverless cars are wreaking havoc on San Francisco

Cruise and Waymo's driverless cars are still stalling out and nearly causing accidents in San Francisco, reports show.

www.sfgate.com

Interesting !

Great article. I knew of Cruise's issues, but it was interesting to read about Waymo's problems too. I always took Waymo to be far ahead in the AV space with near flawless drives.

One boon for Tesla FSD Beta - being L2, there is always a driver to take over if it does something odd.

 

[spacecoin]

One boon for Tesla FSD Beta - being L2, there is always a driver to take over if it does something odd.

Until they try to remove the driver, like the others mentioned. There is no skipping that step if you're going for robotaxi. Let's start with the LVCC tunnels shall we?

 

[MP3Mike]

Let's start with the LVCC tunnels shall we?

I'm sure that Tesla would love to, but the county doesn't allow any driver's assist functions. Not even AEB. They are required to be 100% manually driven.

 

[spacecoin]

I'm sure that Tesla would love to, but the county doesn't allow any driver's assist functions. Not even AEB. They are required to be 100% manually driven.

1. I'm pretty sure that the tunnel system is private road, and you can do whatever you like.
2. I believe MB Drive Pilot (the autonomous L3 system) is legal in Nevada.
3. Ingress/Egress is a hard problem in itself and so in autonomous operation in general, and Tesla isn't there yet. Perhaps some day.
4. How is Motional (and others) testing in Las Vegas on public roads is it's illegal?

 

[KLam]

https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/01/2023.01.25_ccsf_23.0125_cpuc_cruise_tier_2_advice_letter_protest_002.pdf

More interesting stuff here!

If you read carefully you will find the interesting problem of "sleeping passenger"!

 

[MP3Mike]

1. I'm pretty sure that the tunnel system is private road, and you can do whatever you like.

I'm not sure it is considered private. It is on public land, and governed by their contract with the county.

You can lookup their recent, submitted 4/8/23, permit, BD19-30585-R061, application requesting permissions to enable some ADAS systems:

4. How is Motional (and others) testing in Las Vegas on public roads is it's illegal?

I never said it was illegal, I said the county doesn't allow them to use an ADAS features. (The contract/permit the Boring Company has with the county doesn't allow it.)

 

[spacecoin]

I never said it was illegal, I said the contract/permit the Boring Company has with the county doesn't allow it. (Because it doesn't.)

LOL, that's golden, but likely incorrect.

This was 2022:
Tesla's self-driving rollout strategy for Boring Co's Las Vegas Loop gets teased

Elon Musk has mentioned recently that the Las Vegas Loop’s Tesla fleet may use FSD later this year. In this light, Hill noted that one vehicle at a time would be switched to use Tesla’s full self-driving system. And even at this point, they will still be using safety drivers until it can be proven that the vehicles can operate safely and adequately on their own. Only at this point will the drivers be removed.

“I don’t think we’ll be fully autonomous by the end of this calendar year, but we think we’re in a position to start testing autonomy relatively soon,” the LVCVA president said.

That guy got royally Musked. If it happens before 2026 I'll be very surprised.

 

[EVNow]

https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/01/2023.01.25_ccsf_23.0125_cpuc_cruise_tier_2_advice_letter_protest_002.pdf

More interesting stuff here!

If you read carefully you will find the interesting problem of "sleeping passenger"!

It's clear the robotaxis are not ready for prime time. They need a safety driver.

 

[Bladerskb]

Waymo driverless in Daytime in LA

 

[spacecoin]

Waymo driverless in Daytime in LA

LOL this will never work. Also, Tesla will do this next year, and without a geofence because that's bad because then it cannot go anywhere. /s