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My January 2013 MS60 just started this issue about a month ago. Looks like bubbles on the left side. Unfortunately, with over 100k miles, I am out of warranty. I was quoted $5000 to replace today at the SC. I sure hope they find a way to just replace the screen only, rather than the whole computer. I am just going to let mine go for a while and hope it doesn't get worse too quickly.
not impossible they disturbed the LCD panel when they took the dash apart to do the LTE upgrade, resulting in the moisture ingress.Did the LTE upgrade quite a few months ago. Definitely helped.
My January 2013 MS60 just started this issue about a month ago. Looks like bubbles on the left side. Unfortunately, with over 100k miles, I am out of warranty. I was quoted $5000 to replace today at the SC. I sure hope they find a way to just replace the screen only, rather than the whole computer. I am just going to let mine go for a while and hope it doesn't get worse too quickly.
Hmm, at that price surely there's one available at a much, much lower cost from an "automotive recycling yard" (aka, junkyard) that will do the job at a much, much lower cost? The question is, will a Tesla SC install a non-new part for you?
It seems like owning a Tesla without a warranty is a horrible thing. Can't imagine these cars holding value after no warranty. I realize they sell high CPO but only because of a warranty.
If you can wrench, owning a Tesla out of warranty is going to be pretty cheap. You're pricing parts and problems out at retail prices but out of warranty you'll be able to buy used parts and working on this car is rather simple.
Your post appears to be serious, so I will respond seriously: the Model S and X are firmware driven cars with EV drivetrains like no other vehicle, and (as far as I know) except in Massachusetts owners cannot get service manuals. There is a very limited supply of salvaged parts.f you can wrench, owning a Tesla out of warranty is going to be pretty cheap. You're pricing parts and problems out at retail prices but out of warranty you'll be able to buy used parts and working on this car is rather simple.
Your post appears to be serious, so I will respond seriously: the Model S and X are firmware driven cars with EV drivetrains like no other vehicle, and (as far as I know) except in Massachusetts owners cannot get service manuals. There is a very limited supply of salvaged parts.
I think your statement is demonstrably untrue.
I agree 100%. Anytime there is a massively different technological shift in car the prediction of modifications and repairs done by owners is predicted and the grave plot is picked out. On a side note, I still have my '90 SHO.I can appreciate your skepticism but let me qualify my statements. For common symptoms people share solutions and knowledge. That's what makes these forums such an invaluable tool. I've been wrenching for a long time and have started and operated two different successful performance parts shops. One of them was for the V6 Taurus SHO, one of the most complicated cars for it's time. It required a lot of maintenance to keep running and had a lot of common issues. I never owned a manual for that car. The information was readily available. Much like everything else, it's all crowdsourced. For instance, on here if someone wanted to see if the new headlights work in the old cars you might say "well there's no way of knowing" but I bought one and I did a pinout, determined that it won't work (easily) and boom, now that's knowledge that you have.
For firmware, the car has been rooted and that's basically no longer an issue. Now that aspect of things isn't as widely adopted quite yet but it will be however just knowing that that's a problem with a solution is huge. I kind of wish the people with that knowledge wouldn't hold it so closely to their chest but I understand why they do or why they might think they have to.
As for parts, for these common issues a lot of stuff is fixable. The door handles for instance. They bill out at what, $1300? And people get that bill and they think "geez, $5400 in potential failures in just my door handles!" when the reality is you can fix the micro-switch on many of them with relative ease and for almost no money.
But the crux of my statement lies in the car's simplicity. I learned this pretty quick with my salvage car when I was troubleshooting some issues. By virtue of the drivetrain, these cars tend to have easy to diagnose problems, that are relatively easy to fix and there's plenty of room to work on them. This is my dream car to wrench on.
Drivetrain work will still require heavier machinery or specialized tools but it will be commonplace soon.
I agree 100%. Anytime there is a massively different technological shift in car the prediction of modifications and repairs done by owners is predicted and the grave plot is picked out. On a side note, I still have my '90 SHO.
One of them was for the V6 Taurus SHO, one of the most complicated cars for it's time. It required a lot of maintenance to keep running and had a lot of common issues. I never owned a manual for that car. The information was readily available. Much like everything else, it's all crowdsourced. For instance, on here if someone wanted to see if the new headlights work in the old cars you might say "well there's no way of knowing" but I bought one and I did a pinout, determined that it won't work (easily) and boom, now that's knowledge that you have.
For firmware, the car has been rooted and that's basically no longer an issue. Now that aspect of things isn't as widely adopted quite yet but it will be however just knowing that that's a problem with a solution is huge. I kind of wish the people with that knowledge wouldn't hold it so closely to their chest but I understand why they do or why they might think they have to.
As for parts, for these common issues a lot of stuff is fixable. The door handles for instance. They bill out at what, $1300? And people get that bill and they think "geez, $5400 in potential failures in just my door handles!" when the reality is you can fix the micro-switch on many of them with relative ease and for almost no money.
You just need different tools. There are people on this very forum that can swap module, re-enable features that have been paid for and generally repair or upgrade virtually any part of the car. Just because you don't currently have the skill set needed to do a certain thing does not mean it's impossible.How about in the example related to this thread: Touchscreen coming undone from the MCU? How do I repair that, and if I can't and it needs to be replaced, how can I replace the screen or computer and not only have it forget that it came from X car and is now in Y car? Further, how can I get Tesla (superchargers, support from the SvC, etc) to recognize that my car hasn't been modified with some other car's MCU? Another example would be the charging port, what if my charging port goes bad, how might I (safely) replace or repair that?
"Wrenching" this car is not easy, not for the faint of heart, and not well documented. One wrong move lands you in the hands of a Tesla SvC for $X to fix your original issue and all your screwups along the way.